Controversial Double Hit? Team Biado vs. Team Raga – 10-Ball Doubles

[GideonF]

I don’t understand when anyone saying “intention” or “unintention” on this case, these are (or were) 4 world class players, Alcano was obviously trying to have a good shot and somehow missed cue. End of the day, it is whether a double hit shot or not. Nothing else matters or can cause a foul. How do you even intentionally miss cue?

The reason people are talking about intentional versus unintentional, is that under standard pool rules, unintentional miscues are not a foul, but an intentional miscue is a foul.

The most common intentional miscue is the scoop shot jumpshot. You are not likely to see that among world class players, of course.

However, there are other intentional miscues. In snooker, for example, it is common and not illegal to intentionally miss cue when the cue ball and object ball are almost frozen to allow for a legal shot without a double hit or push. such shots are not legal at pool.


See the first shot discussed in the video below

 

[july9x]

The reason people are talking about intentional versus unintentional, is that under standard pool rules, unintentional miscues are not a foul, but an intentional miscue is a foul.

The most common intentional miscue is the scoop shot jumpshot. You are not likely to see that among world class players, of course.

However, there are other intentional miscues. In snooker, for example, it is common and not illegal to intentionally miss cue when the cue ball and object ball are almost frozen to allow for a legal shot without a double hit or push. such shots are not legal at pool.


See the first shot discussed in the video below

We're talking pool, American pool.

A miscue or not a miscue, as long as it's a legal shot in pool, it's a legal shot, isn't it? What's the difference?

How and why does one even do an intentional miscue shot and hope it will be a legal shot and give yourself an advantage?

I mean it looked to me that Alcano obviously trying to shoot away from the 7... and missed cue. If anyone thinks he "intentionally" trying to miscue that shot, your fargo is probably 1200, out of my league.

I just don't know if it was a double hit or not, OR if his cue hit the 7 after hitting the cue ball...

 

[july9x]

the 7 ball moved 4 feet because he hit it with his stick not the cue ball.

It's a possibility, his stick hit the cue ball and push though and hit the 7 ball... really hard to tell even from a slow speed replay.

Probably need s frame to frame replay and some physics explanations as well to come to a reasonable conclusion.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... How and why does one even do an intentional miscue shot and hope it will be a legal shot and give yourself an advantage? ...

There are several shots that are most easily made by miscuing. Some of them are only possible by miscuing. Robert Byrne has described several of them in his books. Such shots are the reason that intentionally miscuing is a foul. That includes miscue jump shots, but also the various little nudge safety miscues.

Here's a video of one of those special miscue shots:

 

[dr_dave]

The reason people are talking about intentional versus unintentional, is that under standard pool rules, unintentional miscues are not a foul, but an intentional miscue is a foul.

FYI, many examples of intentional miscues can be found here:

 

[GideonF]

A miscue or not a miscue, as long as it's a legal shot in pool, it's a legal shot, isn't it? What's the difference?

An intentional miscue is unsportsmanlike conduct under WPA rules (ie American pool). Rule below.

 

[july9x]

Thanks for the info regarding intentional miscue.
For this particular case, it is quite clear that it was not an intentional miscue from Alcano, right?

 

[Bob Jewett]

Thanks for the info regarding intentional miscue.
For this particular case, it is quite clear that it was not an intentional miscue from Alcano, right?

I guess he was trying to play a two-way shot without a miscue and half of it worked with a miscue. So, not intentional.