90-degree proposition cut shot

[Bob Jewett]

Here's my version of the thin cut shot in the other thread. How many shots do you need to make the shot?

At the start of the video you can see the setup. The cue ball is on the head spot. The object ball is a ball to the side of the center spot. That means if I send the cue ball straight down the table to the foot spot, the object ball will wiggle from the wind. The balls on the end rails are in the middle of the end rails so you can see the alignment.

My first shot is pretty good. I cut out most of my complete misses. I managed a couple of shots over 90 degrees.

In the end, I show the gaff for this shot. Prior to that, the balls were reasonably clean.

I'm using a level (as possible) cue stick and extreme left.

 

[Bob Jewett]

For those of you who are not familiar with the vocabulary of proposition shots....

 

[markjames]

hmmmm

 

[straightline]

Reyes did this in a match - can't find it. Can be done legit apparently. Looked like super slick conditions.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Reyes did this in a match - can't find it. Can be done legit apparently. Looked like super slick conditions.

The shot I've seen is not clearly 90 degrees, but he did use a lot of outside. Slick is more or less irrelevant unless you're talking about waxed balls, which would reduce the throw.

 

[Chopdoc]

How many shots do you need to make the shot?

Realistically, you get one.

Reyes did this in a match - can't find it. Can be done legit apparently.

Yes, he did.

The surface rotational velocity has to exceed the forward velocity of the cue ball.

Can it be done? Yes. In one shot? In a match? That's a different matter.

 

[straightline]

Still available or what?

 

[billiards_watch]

Here's my version of the thin cut shot in the other thread. How many shots do you need to make the shot?

At the start of the video you can see the setup. The cue ball is on the head spot. The object ball is a ball to the side of the center spot. That means if I send the cue ball straight down the table to the foot spot, the object ball will wiggle from the wind. The balls on the end rails are in the middle of the end rails so you can see the alignment.

My first shot is pretty good. I cut out most of my complete misses. I managed a couple of shots over 90 degrees.

In the end, I show the gaff for this shot. Prior to that, the balls were reasonably clean.

I'm using a level (as possible) cue stick and extreme left.

What are you playing with?

 

[skor]

but will you shoot it in a match that matters?

 

[straightline]

but will you shoot it in a match that matters?

If one can produce that trick in a match, one does not need that trick.

 

[skogstokig]

does ob have chalk on it?

edit: nevermind, i watched full video

 

[straightline]

I'll leave that to Bob J. It's in the video.

 

[bbb]

Here's my version of the thin cut shot in the other thread. How many shots do you need to make the shot?

At the start of the video you can see the setup. The cue ball is on the head spot. The object ball is a ball to the side of the center spot. That means if I send the cue ball straight down the table to the foot spot, the object ball will wiggle from the wind. The balls on the end rails are in the middle of the end rails so you can see the alignment.

My first shot is pretty good. I cut out most of my complete misses. I managed a couple of shots over 90 degrees.

In the end, I show the gaff for this shot. Prior to that, the balls were reasonably clean.

I'm using a level (as possible) cue stick and extreme left.

Great shooting bob
So is the other video of you making a 90 degree cut
I see you are using what looks like a carbon fiber shaft now
In your old video, you were using a wood shaft
Do you think the wood shaft makes it easier because of more deflection?

 

[skogstokig]

I'll leave that to Bob J. It's in the video.

the chalk smudge is the gaff

 

[Island Drive]

A smudge, the slight round ness off a pocket teet, the local dirt on the rag create play conditions.
Pros like effie see this, like a golfer reading a 40' putt.
I've been beat before, by dirt on the obj. ball contact point on a slow cut shot.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Can it be done? Yes. In one shot? In a match? That's a different matter.

I practice the shot. I play it in matches. Not as tough as the shot in the video, but a lot tougher than most of my competition is willing to shoot at.

I believe I heard Dallas West saying he would push out to a very thin cut. These look impossible to a lot of players, so they would pass it back to him. Then he would shoot it in.

 

[Bob Jewett]

If one can produce that trick in a match, one does not need that trick.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Great shooting bob
So is the other video of you making a 90 degree cut
I see you are using what looks like a carbon fiber shaft now
In your old video, you were using a wood shaft
Do you think the wood shaft makes it easier because of more deflection?

I think you want a low deflection shaft for this kind of shot. Less compensation. The cue in the video is a 12.0 Revo.

 

[straightline]

That doesn't make any sense.

You'd have to be the wizard Merlin to sneak that trick in.

 

[Bob Jewett]

You'd have to be the wizard Merlin to sneak that trick in.

Not as a proposition shot which is what this is about. Just have a little white chalk available to put on when you replace the object ball. Best to use the white part of a stripe. And have thumb insurance.

But you also get the same effect from the dirt that a lot of pool rooms leave on the balls because they can't be bothered to clean them. Twisting the object ball works better with dirty equipment.