Diamond pockets specs

[iusedtoberich]

….snip….. . But even at my local hall with procut 7s and 9s (so in theory the same corner pockets unless diamond has different pocket specs depending on table size) the 9s reject everything downrail that isn't hit near perfect where the 7s pretty much have an open door policy .

“Pro-cut pocket” difficulty on 7’ and 9’ is NOT the same. The pocket mouth and facing angles are the same. However, the slate shelf is significantly shallower on the 7’. That makes the 7’ way way way easier to pocket balls.

I’ve seen this with my own eyes on a room that has both 7’ and 9’ Diamonds side by side. (All recent purchases, not from 20 years ago). You can see it easily with the naked eye if you put a ball on the jaw and see how much slate shelf is behind it.

Imo, if the 9’ shelf was the same as the 7’ shelf, 9’ Diamond pockets would be perfect.

 

[garczar]

“Pro-cut pocket” difficulty on 7’ and 9’ is NOT the same. The pocket mouth and facing angles are the same. However, the slate shelf is significantly shallower on the 7’. That makes the 7’ way way way easier to pocket balls.

I’ve seen this with my own eyes on a room that has both 7’ and 9’ Diamonds side by side. (All recent purchases, not from 20 years ago). You can see it easily with the naked eye if you put a ball on the jaw and see how much slate shelf is behind it.

Imo, if the 9’ shelf was the same as the 7’ shelf, 9’ Diamond pockets would be perfect.

I'm REALLY surprised you haven't ordered on of those new Pred tables. Seems such a no-brainer considering your addiction.

 

[iusedtoberich]

I'm REALLY surprised you haven't ordered on of those new Pred tables. Seems such a no-brainer considering your addiction.

True that!

But what I said is true, not subjective like my disdain for the diamond pin-ball bounce. The 7’ shelf is shallower than the 9’ shelf.

 

[garczar]

True that!

But what I said is true. The 7’ shelf is a lot shallower than the 9’ shelf.

only barbox D's i've played on are the big league-cuts. its like shooting into a bucket.

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

You folks are starting to really get me worried about my new Diamond Professional table.

 

[iusedtoberich]

You folks are starting to really get me worried about my new Diamond Professional table.

I'm curious if you:

-squat the rock
-make a ball
-have a good shot at the 1
-have no clusters.....

but then you dog every out, will you be happier or sadder than you are now?

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

I'm curious if you:

-squat the rock
-make a ball
-have a good shot at the 1
-have no clusters.....

but then you dog every out, will you be happier or sadder than you are now?

At times I squat the rock. Most of the time I don't. Just like most professionals.

Alot of the times I make a ball.

Rarely do I get a good shot at the 1B. Or the lowest numbered ball. I've only said this 10,000 times on this Forum.

At times I get clusters. Like even the best pros.

 

[iusedtoberich]

At times I squat the rock. Most of the time I don't. Just like most professionals.

Alot of the times I make a ball.

Rarely do I get a good shot at the 1B. Or the lowest numbered ball. I've only said this 10,000 times on this Forum.

At times I get clusters. Like even the best pros.

I meant if you do that on the new Diamond. Get perfect breaks but then the pockets are too tough and you can't get out. Will you be happier or sadder compared to today on the GC?

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

I meant if you do that on the new Diamond. Get perfect breaks but then the pockets are too tough and you can't get out. Will you be happier or sadder compared to today on the GC?

My Diamond Professional will have the 4.75" corner pockets. Hopefully it won't quite play as tight/tough as my Gold Crown IV.

At least if I continue to struggle with spreads and hose up outs on the new Diamond I will know for sure what the problem is. That being me.

So to answer your question - I guess I will be sadder.

 

[rexus31]

I will know for sure what the problem is. That being me.

Everyone has been telling you this since you started crying about not being able to break and run out, but you don't want to admit it. Instead, you run and buy a new piece of equipment, thinking it will fix the issue.

 

[u12armresl]

Everyone has been telling you this since you started crying about not being able to break and run out, but you don't want to admit it. Instead, you run and buy a new piece of equipment, thinking it will fix the issue.

Oh no rexus31 has now been added to his you're a big meanie group. Garczar and I are already members.

 

[rexus31]

Oh no rexus31 has now been added to his you're a big meanie group. Garczar and I are already members.

Proud card carrying member.

 

[garczar]

Proud card carrying member.

You almost have to give the guy props for goin the extra mile to look clueless.

 

[DrCue'sProtege]

Everyone has been telling you this since you started crying about not being able to break and run out, but you don't want to admit it. Instead, you run and buy a new piece of equipment, thinking it will fix the issue.

I've never whined and cried about not being able to run out when I get a decent spread.

For the 10,000th time..........MY GOLD CROWN IV RARELY GIVES ME A DECENT SPREAD TO TRY AND RUN OUT WITH!!!!

That's the big problem. My table needs an exorcism. I wonder if Father Merrin is available?

 

[maha]

at a bar i regularly go to, it has very tight pockets that take only perfectly hit shots. and it is free to play on.

no one does because they play so badly on it and it is no fun. and it is free.

my two home tables have 5 inch pockets and its a joy to practice on as you can cheat the pockets and do many things you cant on a tight pocket.

you guys that shoot below say 600 should play on big pockets and learn the nuances that you can do on a pool table. that will transfer to tighter pockets. your banking will improve tremendously as you can actually tell why you made or missed a bank at speed.

 

[u12armresl]

I've never whined and cried about not being able to run out when I get a decent spread.

For the 10,000th time..........MY GOLD CROWN IV RARELY GIVES ME A DECENT SPREAD TO TRY AND RUN OUT WITH!!!!

That's the big problem. My table needs an exorcism. I wonder if Father Merrin is available?

Ya it's for sure the table that doesn't give you a decent spread. 100%

 

[rexus31]

For the 10,000th time..........MY GOLD CROWN IV RARELY GIVES ME A DECENT SPREAD TO TRY AND RUN OUT WITH!!!!

Cool story, bro.

 

[ShootingArts]

I've never whined and cried abou t not being able to run out when I get a decent spread.

For the 10,000th time..........MY GOLD CROWN IV RARELY GIVES ME A DECENT SPREAD TO TRY AND RUN OUT WITH!!!!

That's the big problem. My table needs an exorcism. I wonder if Father Merrin is available?

I have slept a few times since reading this or any of your threads so a sincere question: How many different ball sets have you tried? Clean your balls one at a time by hand.

Start with the cue ball dead center, put one ball beside it, swing your cue ball to the other side of that spacer ball and take it off the table or back in the rack if you need it to complete the rack. Now use 1.5 to 2 tips low, half a tip left, english. If you are left handed, use have a tip right instead of the left. Now forget a hard break. Keep hitting the cue ball slower until you can get an absolute dead center hit on the one ball. Not the front of the cue ball, where a ghost ball would completely shade the one ball. Equal overlap both sides.

Always check for gaps in the rack. If there are any, break into the solid side of the rack trying to put the force away from the gaps.

The break is first about accuracy, more important than speed. I can make a well racked set of balls explode with a half speed break. A dead center hit on the cue ball or half a tip of low will work too. Main thing, always consider how the power is going through the rack.

Probably rehashing stuff I have already said but it is late night and I'm playing rachet jaw. Quit fighting the break and let your cue stick flow into the cue ball. While working on the break a long pause, several seconds, before the final forward stroke is good. Later you can reduce the pause to very little or nothing but the forward stroke should start forward very slowly and accelerate through the cue ball. Think of it as a gathering of force in the arm you are stroking with. Your whole body feeding force to that one arm. If the break doesn't work for you after three or four tries, use your spacer ball to move it over again. Repeat until you get a break. You might try moving the cue ball back to the line across the first diamonds on the side rail too. Break off of the head rail. Try dead center then put your spacer ball dead center and set the cue ball alongside it, only a half ball off the center line. Then try moving the cue ball over one ball width at a time until you find a sweet spot. Bridge off the rail with the cue ball only one diamond out.

Have fun!

Hu

 

[rexus31]

I have slept a few times since reading this or any of your threads so a sincere question: How many different ball sets have you tried? Clean your balls one at a time by hand.

Start with the cue ball dead center, put one ball beside it, swing your cue ball to the other side of that spacer ball and take it off the table or back in the rack if you need it to complete the rack. Now use 1.5 to 2 tips low, half a tip left, english. If you are left handed, use have a tip right instead of the left. Now forget a hard break. Keep hitting the cue ball slower until you can get an absolute dead center hit on the one ball. Not the front of the cue ball, where a ghost ball would completely shade the one ball. Equal overlap both sides.

Always check for gaps in the rack. If there are any, break into the solid side of the rack trying to put the force away from the gaps.

The break is first about accuracy, more important than speed. I can make a well racked set of balls explode with a half speed break. A dead center hit on the cue ball or half a tip of low will work too. Main thing, always consider how the power is going through the rack.

Probably rehashing stuff I have already said but it is late night and I'm playing rachet jaw. Quit fighting the break and let your cue stick flow into the cue ball. While working on the break a long pause, several seconds, before the final forward stroke is good. Later you can reduce the pause to very little or nothing but the forward stroke should start forward very slowly and accelerate through the cue ball. Think of it as a gathering of force in the arm you are stroking with. Your whole body feeding force to that one arm. If the break doesn't work for you after three or four tries, use your spacer ball to move it over again. Repeat until you get a break. You might try moving the cue ball back to the line across the first diamonds on the side rail too. Break off of the head rail. Try dead center then put your spacer ball dead center and set the cue ball alongside it, only a half ball off the center line. Then try moving the cue ball over one ball width at a time until you find a sweet spot. Bridge off the rail with the cue ball only one diamond out.

Have fun!

Hu

You are wasting your breath.

 

[ShootingArts]

You are wasting your breath.

It was mostly on the thought somebody else might read and benefit. If what he posts is true the issue is almost certainly lack of skill. There is no magic break that always lets you run out without being able to come with a shot or two most of the time. My advice will open up a rack. Murphy being involved the balls might roll back into clusters.

Anyone suffering from break issues is almost certainly suffering from a lack of accuracy, not break speed.

Hu