Where is the rule banning the "lift stroke" and the "sideways stroke" for close balls?

but i think ferrel is correct. i know cuz i read it here and wondered about its spelling

I don't know if you're joking or not, but I assure you that ferrule is correct. It's an odd progression from the original definition, which was an iron band (derived from ferrous), but then came to mean any thin metal sleeve to reinforce parts, which then made sense when they used brass, on cues, so the change to ivory and plastic didn't warrant a new word.
 
I don't know if you're joking or not, but I assure you that ferrule is correct. It's an odd progression from the original definition, which was an iron band (derived from ferrous), but then came to mean any thin metal sleeve to reinforce parts, which then made sense when they used brass, on cues, so the change to ivory and plastic didn't warrant a new word.

yeah, ferrule is obviously correct. i meant there's a second spelling that's accepted
 
yeah, ferrule is obviously correct. i meant there's a second spelling that's accepted
Ferrel is a word, but I think it's used only very rarely to mean a sleeve that prevents splitting. It is listed in one dictionary as an archaic variant of ferrule. It's generally confusing to use archaic variants.

Did you know that the Y in Ye Olde Shoppe should be pronounced "th" because it represents the archaic English letter "thorn": þ? Some people want to bring it back, or as they put it: Bring back þe letter þorn!
 
The BCA and the BCAPL are very, very different organizations. I think you meant CSI/BCAPL.

It’s funny how the historical BCA rules are archived in many people‘s minds.

In my area, to the extent they specify, most tournaments play by “BCA rules“. Except they are not playing by BCAPL rules. They are really playing by WPA rules or, perhaps more accurately, they are playing by what used to be BCA rules before the CSI takeover and sometimes without regard to current WPA rules. For example, its often CB fouls only, despite the recent WPA rule change. If playing 8b sometimes it’s BIH behind the headstring like old BCA and current WPA, sometimes it’s BIH anywhere like BCAPL.

I suspect that aside from the issue of BIH on the break, if I could find my old BCA rule book from the 1990s, it would accord to what everybody considers to be “BCA rules” in most tournaments here and therefore what most people follow even outside of tournaments.
 
It’s funny how the historical BCA rules are archived in many people‘s minds.

In my area, to the extent they specify, most tournaments play by “BCA rules“. Except they are not playing by BCAPL rules. They are really playing by WPA rules or, perhaps more accurately, they are playing by what used to be BCA rules before the CSI takeover and sometimes without regard to current WPA rules. For example, its often CB fouls only, despite the recent WPA rule change. If playing 8b sometimes it’s BIH behind the headstring like old BCA and current WPA, sometimes it’s BIH anywhere like BCAPL.

I suspect that aside from the issue of BIH on the break, if I could find my old BCA rule book from the 1990s, it would accord to what everybody considers to be “BCA rules” in most tournaments here and therefore what most people follow even outside of tournaments.
Same in my area. No one knows what the hell WPA is, no one know the BCAPL has zero to do with the BCA, and no one knows the BCA rules and table specs are gone, and morphed into the WPA equivalents.

Even on the DigitalPool app as a TD, it has a drop down section to select the rules for the tournament during setup. BCA is one of the choices.
 
It’s the shot where you lay the stick on the table, with the tip slightly under the curve of the CB. No bridge or stroke hand on the stick. Then you walk around to the tip end of the stick, and lift the tip upwards, and the stick pivots on its butt cap still resting on the table. The tip barely grazes the CB. There is also a variation where you can pivot sideways instead of upwards.

You all know the shot. It’s been banned at least 25 years.

I’m trying to find it in print.
There is a way to shoot this shot legally. Miz showed me how. Hold the tip with two fingers at the back of the ferrule. Lift the tip up and stroke directly foward. It is easier to control this shot than you think. Minimal practice necessary to learn how. Totally legal shot!
 
Does it offer Texas Express also? ;)

At least up here, there is less confusion over 9b. It’s just the same rules (aside from the break issues - 9 on the spot vs 1 on the spot, 2b on the back vs random, break box or no (I can’t think of an event with a 3 point rule but maybe that’s in the mix too).

10b too. Main questions are whether early 10s are a win (usually yes) and if the 2 and 3 must be on the corners.
 
Frankly I'm surprised all these pool genuises don't know how to shoot this shot legally. I've been teaching it to players for decades now. Refer to my post #50 to learn how.
 
There is a way to shoot this shot legally. Miz showed me how. Hold the tip with two fingers at the back of the ferrule. Lift the tip up and stroke directly foward. It is easier to control this shot than you think. Minimal practice necessary to learn how. Totally legal shot!
I call that the hara-kiri technique.
 
if you can get forward motion then it's too hard to judge in any way the legality of it. so most likely it is legal if done with forward motion as jay says.

it isnt detrimental so if either side can do it then not a real problem. and isnt too far out of the realm of pool shooting.

we allow almost straight up and down masse shots and jump shots that may or may not be more vertical than forward. so that is not being consistent.

if you consider forward as to the path of the cue ball. instead of forward being direction of the cue stick.
 
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There is a way to shoot this shot legally. Miz showed me how. Hold the tip with two fingers at the back of the ferrule. Lift the tip up and stroke directly foward. It is easier to control this shot than you think. Minimal practice necessary to learn how. Totally legal shot!
Another variation


 
so he taps with his ferral now what okay its a foul. thats what he was doing anyway.

what are you going to do start a fight. not pay off. its up to you to say something if it is going to look wrong. not let it happen and then call it.
how can you be so sure there wasnt some forward motion. get real.

and why does someone in the pool room have to follow wpa rules. and do you want to lose a customer for life over something so trivial.
Intentionals are friggen dull. Opinion stated, tap fouls were always regarded as just that - not dull, but standard minus ones. Why the technicoids want to get their pencils on that one is beyond me. The upshot of criminalizing those and graze strokes is, the game is in checkmate retroactive to the commission. Self fulfilling dummness.
 
Why? It's easy to shoot and works quite well. Best of all it's a legal stroke. You don't know what you don't know!
At least the way I shoot it, the cue is aimed at my belly button, and if I slip... 👻
But usually I don't shoot it that hard.
 
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