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It sounds like TE 9 Ball got a foothold, became more popular than 2 foul, and then the WPA subsequently followed with the TE rules to reflect how the game was now being played. I'm not familiar with WPA rules for 9 Ball prior to the current TE version. Seems the opposite of 10 Ball if the WPA...

Well, admittedly now I'm not sure. Are you saying all the events you mentioned i.e. Joe Tucker's 10 Ball tournaments, the Dominiak Tour and the Camel Tour all went from TE to call shot when the rules were changed? If this is true, I did not realize that and I see what you're saying. What...

You're right, a thread this civil sure has no business in the aiming forum. :grin:

No, I understand that, but 9 Ball was by far the dominant game even before call shot rules were put in place for 10 Ball. The new attraction of 10 Ball is in response to the aforementioned problems with 9 Ball. I don't think the fact that it is call shot rules is even that significant a factor...

I disagree, Freddie. It seems to me it was TE 9 Ball that killed it because people preferred it to 10 Ball. Until the magic rack and the pros figuring out the soft break and cut break (along with pattern racking) 9 ball was simply the preferred game. It was faster, balls went in on the break...

This is a great post, thanks Fran. Along this thought line the problem I see is just like TE killed push-out 9 Ball, TE Ten Ball will kill call shot 10 Ball. Then what, we go to call shot 11 Ball to be the different game that creates variety, more tournaments, and more potential money for...

Yeah I get it. I also get that you called this the one comes up most frequently. The situation is negligible in my opinion. Most guys when faced with a kick are not going to bang at it warp speed in hopes of slopping in a ball except bangers and apparently you. See, you're not the only one...

I don't quite get this. Your example has to do with a guy missing a shot and lucking into hooking his opponent. What difference does it make whether the game is slop 9 Ball or call shot 8 Ball? The guy missed and his opponent is faced with kicking. If anything your example seems to make the...

Donny is the guy. He's the only one allowed to put a tool to my table, including me. PM me and I'd be happy to discuss my first hand experience with his work. :thumbup:

The term "two way shot" is sometimes used to refer to a situation where you have the opportunity to pocket more than one ball with one shot - like calling a ball in the side while trying to drift down to knock in another ball hanging in the corner. That two-way is gone in 10 Ball because if you...

Jay, I'm in for a 2-4 hour block. Pencil me in and I'll call you to set it up. Hope I get to see you too, it's been too long. And thank-you. ;)

No he cannot. He must take take the balls in position as long as there was no foul committed or a wrongfully pocketed ball was made. I added the pertinent rules to my post after you posted. There is a rule set used in the Tony Robles event and a couple of others (the SBE was played this way a...

What rules are you referring to, CJ? This is not true under WPA rules except in the case of a wrongfully pocketed ball. But under WPA rules you most definitely can play for the the safety if you miss. For reference, from the WPA rules: __________ The reason Texas Express 10 Ball is played...

And so does he. Two balls spot (if he has one to put up).

Thanks, I figured there was a good possibility there might be at least one I wasn't aware of. It's been years, make that decades, since I've needed a pool hall at 3 AM. :grin-square:

I think the last one in Los Angeles was Hollywood Billiards (at least on the weekends) in it's old location, before it moved to where it closed down a few years ago. We would head down there when our local room closed for the night.

I thought your previous post was very perceptive, it's often more about the difficulty of getting position on the next ball. As for Parica's situation on the one ball, with push-out he may be more inclined to go for the shot only because a safety is not much of a defense as it is in TE since if...

Yeah well, I bet even Mosconi never missed a shot he'd never made before. ;) My comment wasn't made to explain the deep psychological reasons I or anyone else are not better than we are. As I alluded to in a further post it was simply to illustrate that the difference in speeds between players...

Appreciate the psychoanalysis Neil, but you don't know me at all. In my case, which is what you seem to have drawn conclusions about, it has nothing to do with how I'm wired. So you're wrong on this one but hey, there's a first time for everything. But thanks anyway. :thumbup:

Yeah, I did a double take. My first reaction to the picture was "Why is there a ball return on a billiard table?" Then I noticed the pocket nets. :D