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And the rack used was...??? Lots of people thought nobody could best Mosconi's high run. Then Schmidt did. Then that lasted for what? A year maybe, before Shaw beat it. The point is -- just because players don't try to do something, doesn't mean they can't. Tell top players they could get a...

Justin Berman was using a template and soft breaking. Do you really think he couldn't do something similar on a 5" Gold Crown if allowed to use a template and given time to figure out how SOFT he could break? I think you may be underestimating his skill level here. Years ago I racked for a...

Just one more thought on this because I don't think this question really gets to the heart of why ANY 9 foot table is more difficult than a bar table. 9 foot tables are more difficult because most of the shots are longer, and longer shots increase the difficulty more than congestion increases...

I think your approach is the best. I think many players over complicate the game. Part of it is just what we are doing here on AZ -- thinking about the game when we are away from the table. We have to spend our time thinking about something I suppose. Some of the stuff I think while ruminating...

Figure out a way to enjoy the process or it will all become futile.

You'll probably swear the cushions play truer that a Diamond. ;)

Proceed with caution as you're entering "Bald Mike" territory. I believe your story though. Do the math.

You're definition of "Afternoon Delight" and mine are totally different exactly the same! Cool to see you putting your money where your mouth is or insert your own cliché. I may have already posted that. Who knows anymore???

I like this quite a bit. I go back forth on gambling, and pretty much always have. The pool world seems to exist in this perfectly strange universe, where the people that I don't mind losing money to -- can't beat me so it's hard to make a game, while a lot of those that can beat me -- I have a...

You've laid out your critique really well. I think FargoRate has enough data to prove that bar table competition can sort out the players very similarly to how big table pool can. What it can't do is -- know that players that compete on bar tables also exclusively practice on them. So he's only...

You are talking about real pool. I don't deny that in general bar table pool is easier. This is more of a gaff question. I think some people are forgetting how easy a plus 5 inch pocketed Gold Crown with FRESH CLOTH plays. Broken in cloth I'd pick the DBT. If I had a gun to my head, maybe I...

Yes bar tables are overall easier to play real pool on. This isn't asking that exact question again though. In a normal game of 9 Ball, I will definitely miss more balls on the 9 foot table but playing the ghost is a different animal. If the table plays really easy, a 9 footer or bar table, then...

I'd take Mike Sigel on the 9 footer and Nick Varner on the bar table... Oh sorry - wrong thread. Leaning toward GC.

I think you have a pretty good feel for the state of U.S. pool but I really don't think our gambling culture has much to do with our decline anymore. I think that ship has sailed. I think our problem at this point is really simple -- pool is more fun for amateurs than pros. Eliminate all...

This is very compelling information. It would be hard to argue that Sigel or Earl wasn't the best player between 84 to 89 based on this table. What are the events you're tracking here? It's also at least worth mentioning again that Nick was Billiards Digest Player of the Year in 1980 (and...

Uh oh. In walks AtLarge. I'm nervous my vote may be nullified by facts. This Sigel vs Varner issue may have occured before the dawn of the digital pool statistics guru. :)

I wore my Accu-stats tape of this match out. It was a sad day when I get rid of all my old pool VHS's. What an image. Varner is a truly unique American sportsman. Yeah -- that's how I'll put. It. :)

I didn't miss those. I've mentioned a couple times that I couldn't find a reliable list for the U.S. Open Straight Pool. Sounds like we know Sigel won a couple U.S. Open 14.1's. Did Varner ever win that one? The Wikipedia listing for that tourney is missing a lot of data or it just didn't...

I posted this earlier. This is what's listed in Wikipedia for their World 14.1 titles: Sigel won: 1979 1981 1988 2nd Place: 1980 Varner won: 1980 1986 2nd Place: 1981

Polls were supposed to close but I was just notified by the AZ Moderator Team that due to unprecedented levels of voter suppression, the Sigel vs. Varner poll is to remain open indefinitely. Get those votes in.