Which table is easier if you had to beat the ghost for $1 million?
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I'd take Mike Sigel on the 9 footer and Nick Varner on the bar table...
Oh sorry - wrong thread.
Leaning toward GC.
Oh sorry - wrong thread.
Leaning toward GC.
I know 9-ball is not 14.1, but just to provide an example of which table I know to be easier, at 67 years old, I’ve attempted 14.1 high runs in practice on both size tables many times, way more attempts/hours trying on the 9’ table.
It’s been close to a decade since I’ve been able to run more than 56 balls (4 racks) on a 9 foot 4-3/4” pocket table, but this past year I ran 110 balls on our 7 foot Diamond pro cut table. To me, there is no comparison and that’s all I need for proof.
I've done the same. Spent a whole summer about 12 years ago playing 14.1 on my home GC. I think my high run that summer was 28. Then I spent 1 or 2 days on a 7' Diamond and ran 45.
I honestly think the people that are voting a 9' GC is easier than a 7' Diamond haven't played extensively on 7' Diamond.
Also a 7' Diamond's shelf is much closer to a GC shelf than a 9' Diamond. The balls don't hang like they do on a 9' Diamond.
Actually, I wish the 9' Diamond Pro-Cut Pocket was exactly like the 7' Diamond Pro-Cut Pocket. The shelf is quite different between the two. The 9' would be a lot more enjoyable to play on.
I split my playing time on 7' Diamonds and my 4 3/8" pocket Gold Crown, all tournaments and any league play is on barbox Diamonds and all of my home play is on my GC. I'm definitely taking that spot shot on my 9' GC, I am way less likely to rattle a ball. I think because I play so much on each table that neither seems large or small. When I started playing 15 years ago 9' tables seemed huge, it felt like I needed binoculars to see the other end of the table and if I went a week without playing on a barbox they seemed tiny, now there seems to be virtually no difference, its just a pool table.
If you hit the middle they all go. So to add to your 'Diamond hatred' list is the fact that 'wipe ur feet' shots tend not to go? why should they? Hell, you missed. We have three old D'mond red labels(2 Pro, 1 PA) and they play fine. The PA has ProCuts and it plays great but if u catch much cloth going in its not falling nor should it if you it that bad. I love the GC4's we have but anything close falls in with those short shelfs.
My full list if you are so inclined to know:
#1 far and away more than the rest: rail reaction is wrong (both sizes)
2: shelf too deep (9 ft only)
3: ugly (both)
4: legs get in the way of my feet since they are at the corners rather than inset like most other tables (both)
5: no built in tray for 1 hole/banks, and the rooms rarely order/install the optional extra metal rack (only applicable to 9')
6: still get ball smudges from the pockets, but way better once Barton helped them improve it.
But that has nothing to do with this thread
Yes bar tables are overall easier to play real pool on. This isn't asking that exact question again though. In a normal game of 9 Ball, I will definitely miss more balls on the 9 foot table but playing the ghost is a different animal. If the table plays really easy, a 9 footer or bar table, then the most important variable is the spread of the balls after the break.
If you're using a wooden rack, then I'm really not sure which table would deliver more runnable racks after the break. If you can get away with a light break on the GC and get a nice spread. That MAY turn out easier than the Diamond BT.
If you're using a wooden rack, then I'm really not sure which table would deliver more runnable racks after the break. If you can get away with a light break on the GC and get a nice spread. That MAY turn out easier than the Diamond BT.
Came home a few years ago to Campus Q and broke and ran the first 5 racks, he had just opened and once he got the heat going and the grill on i didn't make another ball on the break for over an hour. Changed break spot, speed, etc nothing helped
i voted for it because my entire pool life has been on 9ft GC:s. last time i played on a barbox was in a holiday resort a good few years ago. doesn't matter that it was significantly easier, i still have familiarity bias towards the 9'.
I haven’t had much to say on this thread…played a lot on 12 foot, 11 foot, 10 foot, 9 foot, and oversize 8 foot.
My least experience is on 7 foot….but I’ve heard of more than a few pros gambling at sets on 7 foot and agreeing to move to a
9 foot because they were breaking and running too much on the bar box…..and it was a Diamond 7 foot.
My least experience is on 7 foot….but I’ve heard of more than a few pros gambling at sets on 7 foot and agreeing to move to a
9 foot because they were breaking and running too much on the bar box…..and it was a Diamond 7 foot.
You are talking about real pool. I don't deny that in general bar table pool is easier. This is more of a gaff question. I think some people are forgetting how easy a plus 5 inch pocketed Gold Crown with FRESH CLOTH plays. Broken in cloth I'd pick the DBT.
If I had a gun to my head, maybe I still pick the bar table, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Gold Crown breaks easier and I end up doing better on it.
Just to give everyone an idea of what you are talking about.
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Thanks. It's visible in the picture that the 9' is deeper than the 7'. I think it's about 1/4" difference. I can measure in about a week I'll be at a room that has new of both.
Also visible in the picture (but I don't know for fact without measuring), is the slate radius between the 2 diamond's and the GC is different. The Diamond is a smaller radius (tighter circle). That leads to more shelf near the pocket facing, even if the middle point of the shelf relative to the pocket mouth is exactly the same on the two brands.
The extreme of this effect is on a Valley table, that has an even larger radius than both (from memory).
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The poll is closed. Final results: 40 people voted the 7' Diamond, 15 people voted the 9' GC. 72.7% to 27.3%.
The reason I started this poll had nothing to do with Brunswick vs Diamond. It was the table difficulty factor. IMO, it gives too much weight to the pocket compared to the bed size of the table. It rates these two tables almost exactly the same, as seen below.
IMO, and I'd put money behind my opinion if a group of players actually went to both tables for a day each... I'd bet all levels of players from beginner to pro would have significantly better results on a 7' Diamond compared to a 9' GC, on any type of skill based assessment. Whether it's making a spot shot, playing the 9 ball ghost, playing the 4 ball carnival game, doing some sort of repetitive drills from a drill book, straight pool high runs, etc.
There "may" be a discrepancy on playing the 8 ball ghost, but I'd still bet its easier on a 7' Diamond. The other ones would be a total lock.
The reason I started this poll had nothing to do with Brunswick vs Diamond. It was the table difficulty factor. IMO, it gives too much weight to the pocket compared to the bed size of the table. It rates these two tables almost exactly the same, as seen below.
IMO, and I'd put money behind my opinion if a group of players actually went to both tables for a day each... I'd bet all levels of players from beginner to pro would have significantly better results on a 7' Diamond compared to a 9' GC, on any type of skill based assessment. Whether it's making a spot shot, playing the 9 ball ghost, playing the 4 ball carnival game, doing some sort of repetitive drills from a drill book, straight pool high runs, etc.
There "may" be a discrepancy on playing the 8 ball ghost, but I'd still bet its easier on a 7' Diamond. The other ones would be a total lock.
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sudocrushms
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Those damn plastic pocket inserts... Hate those things so much...
Nothing sounds better than a Brunswick pocket, never played on a drop pocket Brunswick though
A couple days ago I watched a bar table match on YouTube where Demetrius beat Vilmos Foldes. It was 8 ball at the USBTC. Foldes kept breaking dry. So that’s all he got to do. Demi ran out every game. There are other matches on YouTube. he can play on the 7’.