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1ab, I beat this topic to death multiple times on here. I would think you had enough of this topic. Here's the 'AZ Synopsis' of previous discussions: 1. Logically, 'safety' should be a call and, as such, cannot be combined with another call. 2. While every other rule set makes this clear...

Thanks for the searching. My eyes hurt from reading another 15+ pages of this. I even participated in one of those threads. That makes me 'that guy' for bringing a new thread on it. I asked on here to get outside views, due to being asked by others. My opinion was already quite formed... -s

I'm not sure I agree that it is 'pretty clear', but I do acknowledge the lack of clarity which allows either interpretation. I also disagree that the rules clearly state 'in addition' you can do both things (mostly through the 'pocketing vs calling' clarification). The rules are very vague on...

um, no. refer to my second post about pocketing vs. calling. just because you pocket a ball on your turn, does not make it a 'called ball'. and! pocketing a 'called ball' is what obtains you a group. i hold that -calling- safe takes up your call for the shot, and any further intent is...

you misunderstand me. i am saying "calling two things in one shot is not allowed". if the above statement is true, the rest is moot. you can either call safe, or call a ball. -s

my sticking point here is allowing a player to call a ball while simultaneously calling safe. these things do not mix in my world. each shot has but one call, IMO. -s

Joel, your failure to understand my "confusion" is of little importance to me. I am merely trying to obtain a clear understanding of the situation (and maybe even make some other people think about it too). That's why I am having a discussion on an open forum about the topic. I do have strong...

the situation in question is during open table. otherwise, obviously calling safe takes priority. the question is, can you take a group AND play safe? -s

I totally disagree with the above opinions, and here's why. First, the rule regarding 'safety' calls mentions pocketing an object ball, NOT calling it. these two things are very different. Second, I hold that calling safety, by definition, precludes calling an object ball, and vice versa...

I have a hard time believing calling a ball and calling safe are not mutually exclusive. Do you have referee credentials, tenzip? -s Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2

Open table: call 11 in corner and safety. Are you then stripes? My opinion: this represents two calls and is invalid. Must call a ball or safety, but not both. Ruling? -s

It has to do with the app selecting the wrong 'peaks' in the audio signal. You can go into 'edit result' and move the selected peaks to get your real result. It's a pain, but it works. -s

Mike won, Earl made the ten and scratched in that rack.

Just that simple. Kick on the 1, did he hit the 9 first? If you were watching you know the shot I'm referring to. -s

If there are paying spectators, or outside calcutta investors, splitting is wrong. If, like most weekly tournaments, you two and the guy running it are the only ones left in the room, who cares? I guess I'm saying it's situational and common sense. -s

drawing board suggestions: 1. drills for speed control 2. drills to stop/stun at every distance these two things will enhance your cueball control greatly. then, when integrated into your strategy, will do wonders for pattern play and runout success. -s

consider a run, played by two players. player A pockets balls very well, but lacks in position play. player B plays smart shape, but is a little weak on potting. as player A's run goes on, a wide variety of shot difficulties occurs. most of these are little problem, since he shoots so well...

Looks very makeable. Neil and OP are right, play it two-way but try to win it right now on the carom. -s

um, where's the cueball? -s

um, where's the cueball? -s