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ctyhntr

ctyhntr

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Here is a shot that came up this weekend. He went for the safety. Afterwards, I told him that I see a 10 carom off the 8 to make the side pocket, and end up with a easier shot on the 8 in the corner. He thought it was a low percentage shot, and beyond his ability.
 

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I assume we are playing 8 ball? If there are no other balls on the table I would hit the 10 softly into the 8 enough to block against the 1 rail kick, possibly making it but not selling out the game if it doesn't fall. If the opponent has other balls on the table maybe a different shot, all depends on the situation and who I'm playing.

On second thought it can't be kicked in 1 rail, nevermind. Slow roll 10 into makeable shot in side, freeze cueball behind it.
 
The 10 is very makeable, but also is a little trickier than you might be giving it credit for.
 
If I had bih/ was stripes and those we the only 2 balls on table...

I might nudge the 10 into a hanger and hide CB from 8.

Not sure that carom is 'on'.
 
each of you were right in your own way :D I can see your point but I sort of question whether after the carom it still wouldn't be fairly scratch risky to shoot the 8. if he shot the cue to 10 perfectly straight and light from a short distance it might be ok, but you'd have to hope the 8 moves enough down the rail to make that safer. Of course the thing to do would be to shoot for that as you described knowing that if it didn't sink it would end up being a safety anyhow.
 
Doc Holliday said:
I assume we are playing 8 ball? Slow roll 10 into makeable shot in side, freeze cueball behind it.
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I like this shot.
The other side pocket is in the way of a natural kick...spinning makes it tricky.

If you play the 10-ball in-off the 8-ball, you must put some speed on it...
...the in-off is not quite natural.....but now you're risking making the 8-ball
in the corner.
 
ctyhntr said:
My opponent had ball in hand. This was a game of 8-ball. On the next turn, I would have to go for the 8.
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In that case, you just hit it lightly. If the 10 goes, great, if not, he's in a world of hurt. All you have to do is make sure either the 8 or the 10 or the cb (preferably cb) just nudge the rail.
 
I'd certainly go for it, as stated it'd be a natural safe but 2 things, I'd hit it hard enough that there's some separation between the 10 and 8 (say 4" or so) because if you get ball in hand you need some space there. I'd say it's a little less than 50% whether the 10 goes down though.
 
ctyhntr said:
My opponent had ball in hand. This was a game of 8-ball. On the next turn, I would have to go for the 8.
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I'd really like to see a full picture of the entire table. In my opinion, the carom off the 8 should be avoided. The "correct shot" here is also going to vary according to the shooter's skill level but the bottom line is, better shooters will stay away from the carom for fear of missing and likely try to run out the balls as they lie and weaker players should steer away from the carom since the 8's location has a built-in safety.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I'd really like to see a full picture of the entire table. In my opinion, the carom off the 8 should be avoided. The "correct shot" here is also going to vary according to the shooter's skill level but the bottom line is, better shooters will stay away from the carom for fear of missing and likely try to run out the balls as they lie and weaker players should steer away from the carom since the 8's location has a built-in safety.
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Yessers.

Danger in playing carom- ASSuming those are only balls remaining- is that stripey must leave self a shot on the 8...so if he misses the stripe, he is scrod.
 
pt109 said:
I like this shot.
The other side pocket is in the way of a natural kick...spinning makes it tricky.

If you play the 10-ball in-off the 8-ball, you must put some speed on it...
...the in-off is not quite natural.....but now you're risking making the 8-ball
in the corner.
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Here's the answer!!
 
Black-Balled said:
Yessers.

Danger in playing carom- ASSuming those are only balls remaining- is that stripey must leave self a shot on the 8...so if he misses the stripe, he is scrod.
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If he misses the stripe, the stripe will block the 8 unless he hits it hard. No need to hit it hard. Just make sure you get a rail with something, if it fails, you are lined up for an easy 8. If it hangs, you have blocked him from the 8 and he has to kick at it with your last ball being a hanger.
 
Neil said:
If he misses the stripe, the stripe will block the 8 unless he hits it hard. No need to hit it hard. Just make sure you get a rail with something, if it fails, you are lined up for an easy 8. If it hangs, you have blocked him from the 8 and he has to kick at it with your last ball being a hanger.
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Yeah, this is a reasonable approach. You can play the carom but lean toward the safety. If you miss, the 10 hangs and blocks. If you make it, you're good. Of course, I wouldn't recommend this approach if these are the only balls left and the shooters are both A-level. Then, I'd recommend running them out where they lie.
 
Looks very makeable. Neil and OP are right, play it two-way but try to win it right now on the carom.

-s
 
The carom can be done, but it has to be hit firmly. The 10 can't hit the 8 very far to the right of center, because the nipple's in the way. It will barely be cutting the 8b. 95% of the energy will go into the 8b while the 10b will just stop there, unless you give it a pretty firm pop.

I'd be scared of accidentally making the 8 in the corner if I tried that. Technically you're cutting the 8 away from the corner a bit, but depending on pocket size, table roll, throw, etc... it might rattle in anyway. Seems to me like the best option is to do the same shot, but softer, setting up your 10b hanger and leaving the other guy hooked.
 
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