I was building replacement rails for almost all bar tables on the market in Washington State, i think 23 different kinds of tables, back in 1984, before Penguin rails was even in business. I built several thousand sets of replacement rails up until about 2000 or so when i changed direction and started working with Diamond billiards, which was in March 2000. A few years later i met up with Kerry to remove some Diamond pool tables from a bowling alley and take them back to the Diamond factory. A couple of years after that, i offered to help put Kerry in the business of building my King Cobra rails on a partnership business, to which he agreed to, so he built up his shop to get ready for production, and i went down to NM to show Kerry how to build my rails, after which i told Kerry to go ahead and keep my half of the business, and I'd help him promote the rails. He didn't want to call the rails King Cobra rails if i wasn't going to be involved with the rails, so looking at my design of the center ridge down the center of the rails to keep them from splitting if over tightened, so he came up with the name ridgebackrails....the rest is history. So maybe, a more accurate statement would be, maybe Penguin coppied my rails!!