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First cue-testing robot? - 07-29-2020, 02:09 PM

I was looking through some old copies National Billiards News and came across this cover:

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I sort of remember hearing about Meucci's "Myth Destroyer" before "Iron Willie". Does anyone remember when Meucci's machine first made an appearance?


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07-29-2020, 02:32 PM

I remember it at the Expo about 15-18 years ago and Predator would not put
a cue in it. Bob had to buy a Predator to show everybody that his Black Dot
was better then Predator. Predator was right across the isle and were pissed,
just standing there staring at Bob. It was funny as hell. He would let anyone
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07-29-2020, 02:43 PM

I saw Meuccis' cue robot back in 2000/01 at the Expo in Valley Forge.
  
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07-29-2020, 03:07 PM

Meucci and Predator had duelling machines at the 1998 BCA Expo. A few months later the Jacksonville Experiment took place mostly on Iron Willie. I believe Bob may have brought his machine to the Expo in 1997.

But what I am asking is: did Bob show his machine before 1994?


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07-29-2020, 03:37 PM

Bob, Keith Paradise has an article in "Billiard Digest" titled 'Getting the Shaft". It mentions Titus inventing a robotic arm before he mentions Meucci's machine.
  
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First cue-testing robot? - 07-29-2020, 03:50 PM

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I keep watching that wondering if it will top the ball one of these times and it doesn’t. Boy is that thing consistent.


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07-29-2020, 03:52 PM

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I keep watching that wondering if it will too the ball one of these times and it doesn’t. Boy is that thing consistent.
Watch a little longer. It tops the 27th or 28th ball.

But that's the strangest pool cue I've ever seen. Doesn't seem to need chalk, though.
  
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07-29-2020, 08:25 PM

When Allan McCarty designed their first break cue...he shipped me an early one...
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..we were on the phone for a while....something that amazed him...he said..
“When I started to design the break cue, I was sure it would have a stainless steel joint...
...but Iron Willie showed us that the speed of the cue ball coming off the tip was 7 to 12 %
quicker with a wood to wood joint.”....I told him that explains why I never found a snooker
cue with a metal joint that I liked...in snooker you need that extra power,


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When Allan McCarty designed their first break cue...he shipped me an early one...
BK First Edition
..we were on the phone for a while....something that amazed him...he said..
“When I started to design the break cue, I was sure it would have a stainless steel joint...
...but Iron Willie showed us that the speed of the cue ball coming off the tip was 7 to 12 %
quicker with a wood to wood joint.”....I told him that explains why I never found a snooker
cue with a metal joint that I liked...in snooker you need that extra power,
Wonder why (besides errant testing) that is.
  
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Wonder why (besides errant testing) that is.
I don’t think the test results were wrong....I never found a metal joint snooker cue that
I could make a good power draw with from the length of a 6x12.
Even my Szamboti with a good snooker shaft hit weak....and it was a powerful cue at pool.


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07-29-2020, 10:39 PM

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I don’t think the test results were wrong....I never found a metal joint snooker cue that
I could make a good power draw with from the length of a 6x12.
Even my Szamboti with a good snooker shaft hit weak....and it was a powerful cue at pool.
I am not a physics expert by any means but I would think that if you have two cues pass through a cue ball with the same purity of draw stroke as could be recreated by a robot ; that the cue with a metal joint, because of the extra weight at that end of the cue (from the middle on up) might be passing through the cue at a somewhat slower speed.

If I remember correctly, it is cue speed and not cue weight that also produced the best rack breaking results when analyzed.
  
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If I remember correctly, it is cue speed and not cue weight that also produced the best rack breaking results when analyzed.
Mostly cue speed, but cue weight plays a substantial role: force = mass x speed squared.

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07-29-2020, 11:09 PM

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I am not a physics expert by any means but I would think that if you have two cues pass through a cue ball with the same purity of draw stroke as could be recreated by a robot ; that the cue with a metal joint, because of the extra weight at that end of the cue (from the middle on up) might be passing through the cue at a somewhat slower speed.

If I remember correctly, it is cue speed and not cue weight that also produced the best rack breaking results when analyzed.
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Mostly cue speed, but cue weight plays a substantial role: force = mass x speed squared.

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I recall someone saying that speed is how fast you hit the wall.....
...torque is how far you go through it.
I’m in foreign territory here....what do you guys think?


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