Orcollo might try to beat the 626 record
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The difference is that JS set up a table and conditions set up specifically for a high run.
I don't think anyone else has done that. Sure, they might try on their home table or room but this was different.
Lou Figueroa
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Just my opinion but I think all that will change if others are provided a similar set up for running balls.
Lou Figueroa
I think you should be talking to Jeff about that.
Apparently he's the one that doesn't believe polishing balls makes a difference.
Lou Figueroa
Tight/loose isn't usually what causes the end of a big run... it is being stuck to a ball/rack, or getting kick in on a break shot, or having no shot after a break... all of which have little to do with the table and more to do with the knowledge of the shooter.... and luck.
Well I like action not talk . Looks like if they play each other then we would have tons of side bets . I wanna see how they play with someone shooting back I'm betting on JS all the way !!!!!
Oh, I can’t wait to see the 626! I’m really looking forward to it. However, we have footage of a high run made during this most recent push to the 626, on his YouTube channel. There’s plenty of hard break shots.
My only point regarding this is that I don’t believe there’s any mysterious straight pool knowledge that would prohibit a skilled player from having a decent crack at the record, assuming they have the mental focus and clarity. I mean, hitting the pack hard, medium, or soft doesn’t take years of straight pool to figure out. There’s thousands of snooker players around the world that have known this since they picked up a cue. John obviously found something that works for him, and that’s awesome because now we have this phenomenal 626. However, what’s the most important shot sequence in 14.1? The break shot. I can’t understand why any serious 14.1 player wouldn’t spend a chunk of time experimenting with the variables involved in the break shot; speed, juice, contact balls in the pack. Maybe John got stuck in a groove for a few years and forgot the alternatives. I don’t know. But if you were personally going to have a crack at a high run, would you just put the balls on the table and go for it, just banging your head against a wall over and over, or would you spend some time working on the most important sequence in the game?
Again, my only point is that I don’t put much value in the idea that experienced 14.1 players possess knowledge that can only be gained through years of 14.1 experience.
John Schmidt should have come out and challenged others to top his run instead of asking them to wait a year. I still hope it holds up until others get tired of shooting at it.
Dennis should knock it down without pay, if it’s that easy.
I see your point. And it's backed up by Josh Filler...the kid has only been alive 20 years and already he nailed out a Derby record of 285 on 4.5 inch diamond pockets. So yes, I do believe a straight shooter with limited experience can give it a run.
What I think John was learning as the odds of going at racks I certain ways eventually lead to the pitfalls that end runs. We are talking 44 racks in a row....so in order to limit those odds, there is a certain approach to the game that was learned by John. When to break hard, when to not break hard, when to use English to break off the rack and set your cue ball up for a shot....so many variables, not to mention a completely different approach to the game that must be learned if you have been playing rotation for a while (minimal rails, less cue ball movement) which all effect the pattern choices.
That's why I believe, and Sjm touched on this earlier, that there has to be a period of strict dedication to the 14.1 high run....where your mind is only in those patterns for 14.1 and the discipline of cue ball placement precision and avoiding temptation to resort to banks or multi rail rotation position routes has taken priority.
Can it be done? Sure. But it has to be a prolonged commitment by a really high level player.
Agreed, 100%
Oh I think he can break 400. I just don't think he'd do it in the first week. Dennis is an amazing player, but I don't see 627 in his future
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I'd like to add that Dennis saying he'd break it in a week (if he did say that) is pretty damn piss poor thing to say. I'm guessing that someone posted that he said it. If he said that to me I wouldn't repeat it on social media, but that's because I don't like looking like a parrot
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I see no need to punish him over it.
Table still played tougher than the one Willie played on
I think it's a combination of things.
How much precision the cloth allows you to play position. How polished the balls are and whether they open up easily. How loose the pockets are so that a) can unintentionally miss but still have it drop and b) use the wider pockets to work the CB.
By extension, all of those factors mean that you are much more likely to get perfect on your break balls. And if you're perfect or close to perfect a greater percentage of the time there is less likelihood of getting pinned to the rack or scratching..
I would also point out that there is knowledge about hitting the rack at different points, with different speeds and spins that also help. It's not just about blasting them open.
Lou Figueroa
Sounds good !