I think it is real hard to tell how much if any right side spin the player is using. How much do you think it is? Does this player routinely line up off-center as an idiosyncrasy?... jose is using a bit of inside instead ...
Yes, this is usually the best way to tell where a player has contacted the cue ball. There is a sizeable -- and in my opinion mistaken -- minority that does not address the ball where they intend to hit it.... you saw where the cue ball went. ...
You watched the video so you saw where the cue ball went. It's pretty obvious he hit the CB with low left, same as 99.9% of all good players would hit it.
Just because someone addresses the CB in a certain spot doesn't necessarily mean they hit it there. The direction the CB takes will always tell the true story of where it was contacted.
Could be a form of it....he didn't put the tip right until the very last moment.
is that what's called backhand english?
Could be a form of it.
Backhand english is moving your backhand sideways to apply english (pivoting on your bridge). It can be done by "swooping" the tip sideways during the shot stroke (not recommended) or by pivoting first to the amount of spin wanted and stroking straight at the pivoted angle (much better).
It works better with some cues than others, depending on how well your bridge length is matched with the cue's "squirt pivot length".
pj
chgo
Could be a form of it.
Backhand english is moving your backhand sideways to apply english (pivoting on your bridge). It can be done by "swooping" the tip sideways during the shot stroke (not recommended) or by pivoting first to the amount of spin wanted and stroking straight at the pivoted angle (much better).
It works better with some cues than others, depending on how well your bridge length is matched with the cue's "squirt pivot length".
pj
chgo
Backhand english is moving your backhand sideways to apply english (pivoting on your bridge). It can be done by "swooping" the tip sideways during the shot stroke (not recommended) or by pivoting first to the amount of spin wanted and stroking straight at the pivoted angle (much better).
It works better with some cues than others, depending on how well your bridge length is matched with the cue's "squirt pivot length".
My first opinion is that however you did it, you did it very well.I was of the swooping generation --- not that I'm saying it's better --- it's the way we learned in the 80's. The idea was that starting at or near the center and finishing farther out on the cb would result in less cb squirt. I don't know if that's true or not but one thing I always wondered --- Is swooping even legal? I think the tip stays on the cb longer than just a regular hit.
Any opinions on that?
"Through" vs. "across" are different directions of motion at contact.... through New York
...across New York
I can provide diagrams again, but I'm confident there is a reason why many pros swoop/backhand on some shots.
There is a difference between "parallel english" taken through point X on the cb and pivot english taken through the same point X, same speed and same force of stroke can certainly change the cue ball action, based on angle of attack.
Striking a globe on a stand through New York can topple the globe stand to the ground, striking across New York on the same globe with the same force of hit as before, spins the globe on its axis instead. Same hit/force/stroke, different angle of incidence.
My first opinion is that however you did it, you did it very well.
I think all strokes, straight or curved, boil down to the instant (1/1000 of a second or so) of tip/ball contact, and if the tip is traveling in the same direction and speed at that moment the results will be the same (contact time, spin, squirt, whatever).
I've never heard the legality of a curved stroke questioned.
pj
chgo
I think most people probably see it the way you do - it makes intuitive sense.I think a swipe or swoop does leave the tip on the ball longer because the cue stick isn't traveling straight but rather more around the circumference of the cb in reference to the line of the shot even though the tip is staying in one spot on the cue ball. It's rotating with the ball while it's still on it.
"Through" vs. "across" are different directions of motion at contact.
Swooping vs. straight backhand English are not different directions of motion at contact.
pj
chgo
I think that swooping does not accomplish anything that a straight stroke can accomplish. It cannot achieve any special direction and spin. In my view it is a pointless complication and it is a mistake to teach it to students. I think the the only use is to make the student feel the instructor has "special secrets" that are worth paying extra for.
Then the next question is - can the tip's speed and direction with a swoop stroke be duplicated using a straight stroke?I agree, of course. Only different directions of motion can provide different cue ball actions