decipher double j match commentary pls

evergruven · Aug 22, 2020

59:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHgNtyhaWA

"object ball always has good overspin..very rarely a punchy kind of ball"

I'm sure this is a neat comment..I just vaguely understand it ^_^
thanks for any help!

couldnthinkof01 · Aug 22, 2020

If I had to guess he means it is hit a good
medium speed. Spin transfer doesn't work
as well at high speed. At high speed the ob acts
like a stunned cueball.

Patrick Johnson · Aug 22, 2020

couldnthinkof01 said:
If I had to guess he means it is hit a good
medium speed. Spin transfer doesn't work
as well at high speed. At high speed the ob acts
like a stunned cueball.

Yes, I think he just means the OB is rolling, not sliding. "Overspin" is the wrong word for that - it means "peeling out", not rolling, which is almost impossible for an OB.

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MattPoland · Aug 22, 2020

I think it’s a comment on how he doesn’t have to hit the ball hard to move it around. A softer hit means the pockets are more accepting of balls. If he wants to move the ball further, in that case he gives it more top spin instead of hitting it harder. And because he’s hitting it softer, the cueball is also moving forward sooner instead of sliding on the tangent line as much after initial collision. Getting good spin on a softer stroke has the risk of letting up and dogging the stroke. It takes a good stroke, good contact and even follow through to deliver force follow with a soft hit.

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evergruven · Aug 22, 2020

I dig it..thanks y'all

jason · Aug 22, 2020

I think JJ is one of the best commentators I've heard. He seams to talk without ego and just puts it out there honestly. Most know that I'm not a big Earl fan because of his past antics, but I appreciate his commentating. JJ is still my favorite

Bob Jewett · Aug 22, 2020

Patrick Johnson said:
Yes, I think he just means the OB is rolling, not sliding. ...

Yes, he's definitely talking about having full forward roll on the object ball when it gets to the pocket. Especially on new/slippery cloth, that helps the object ball slide into the pocket if it is not struck perfectly

jay helfert · Aug 23, 2020

evergruven said:
59:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHgNtyhaWA

"object ball always has good overspin..very rarely a punchy kind of ball"

I'm sure this is a neat comment..I just vaguely understand it ^_^
thanks for any help!

I love JJ's commentary! In layman's terms he is saying the object ball is rolling smoothly toward the pocket with the forward spin helping pocket the ball. Skyler hits the ball with a very smooth stroke that allows the object ball to turn over in the direction of the pocket and not a punchy stroke that might make the object ball hop a little after contact or get off line.

I like the way he says it though. His commentary is high level, astute observations of the game. No one else out there quite like him. As for me, if I'm commenting on the same shot I may say something like, "Sky makes a clean hit on the object ball and gets it to turn over toward the pocket."

lfigueroa · Aug 23, 2020

evergruven said:
59:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RHgNtyhaWA

"object ball always has good overspin..very rarely a punchy kind of ball"

I'm sure this is a neat comment..I just vaguely understand it ^_^
thanks for any help!

Overspin might not be exactly the right term.

But what he's saying is that the CB is fully spinning forward at the moment of contact with the OB. And, tied into this is a tip you can find in MW's book -- that pro players hit the ball higher for follow (and lower for draw) than the average room player. So your average player is less likely to have full top-spin on a shot, particularly on a shot where there is less distance between the CB and OB because they're hitting the ball lower for their follow shots.

Having said all that, playing on new Simonis, with brand new balls fresh out of the polisher, as opposed to dirty, worn commercial room cloth with older, dirtier balls doesn't hurt either.

Lou Figueroa

Patrick Johnson · Aug 23, 2020

lfigueroa said:
...what he's saying is that the CB is fully spinning forward at the moment of contact with the OB.

Even though he says, "object ball always has good overspin"?

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chgo

evergruven · Aug 23, 2020

jay helfert said:
I love JJ's commentary! In layman's terms he is saying the object ball is rolling smoothly toward the pocket with the forward spin helping pocket the ball. Skyler hits the ball with a very smooth stroke that allows the object ball to turn over in the direction of the pocket and not a punchy stroke that might make the object ball hop a little after contact or get off line.

I like the way he says it though. His commentary is high level, astute observations of the game. No one else out there quite like him. As for me, if I'm commenting on the same shot I may say something like, "Sky makes a clean hit on the object ball and gets it to turn over toward the pocket."

thanks jay, I got a lot out of this comment
I feel spoiled by accu-stats..everything pat and them do is quality
not least the commentary
thanks again
and to all kind enough to reply

lfigueroa · Aug 23, 2020

Patrick Johnson said:
Even though he says, "object ball always has good overspin"?

pj
chgo

I took his comment to be about the CB because to make it about the OB makes little sense to me.

Lou Figueroa

Patrick Johnson · Aug 23, 2020

lfigueroa said:
I took his comment to be about the CB because to make it about the OB makes little sense to me.

They both make sense to me - the CB for shape and the OB for pocketing.

pj
chgo

lfigueroa · Aug 23, 2020

Patrick Johnson said:
They both make sense to me - the CB for shape and the OB for pocketing.

pj
chgo

OK, so help me understand.

What superpower was Sky using -- given the distance between the CB and OB and between the OB and pocket on this particular shot -- that helped the two ball drop. (That would be: other than missing the pocket by at least half a diamond.)

Lou Figueroa
I await this insight
with bait on my breath

Patrick Johnson · Aug 23, 2020

lfigueroa said:
What superpower was Sky using -- given the distance between the CB and OB and between the OB and pocket on this particular shot -- that helped the two ball drop.

Shooting softly enough that the OB was fully rolling on its way to the pocket.

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chgo

jay helfert · Aug 23, 2020

lfigueroa said:
I took his comment to be about the CB because to make it about the OB makes little sense to me.

Lou Figueroa

Lou, if you don't know, just say you don't know. :thumbup:

markjames · Aug 23, 2020

i liked it when jj made up a new verb- hydrolic

for example i quote from memory-

that ball just hydrolicked out of the corner-

MattPoland · Aug 23, 2020

It seems there is consensus that JJs comment implies the outcome of a softer hit letting the OB naturally roll easily into a more accepting pocket. I think we all know a firm hit can jaw up balls where a softer hit would have dropped.

At this point it seems the debate is on the phrase “overspin on the object ball” and whether that means...

A) It’s a weird way to describe a naturally rolling object ball...OR

B) He misspoke and meant to say “overspin on the cueball”, because he was describing getting some force follow (overspin) out of a soft stroke resulting in good action on the cueball AND a naturally rolling object ball.

Unless I’m misreading things and I’m unawares.

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lfigueroa · Aug 24, 2020

Patrick Johnson said:
Shooting softly enough that the OB was fully rolling on its way to the pocket.

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At that distance from the pocket what else was the two ball going to be doing?

At almost anything other than warp speed that ball was going to be "fully rolling." And even if he blasted it, from that distance it would still probably be "fully rolling."

Lou Figueroa

lfigueroa · Aug 24, 2020

jay helfert said:
Lou, if you don't know, just say you don't know. :thumbup:

School me, Jay.

Here's your explanation:

jay helfert said:
I love JJ's commentary! In layman's terms he is saying the object ball is rolling smoothly toward the pocket with the forward spin helping pocket the ball. Skyler hits the ball with a very smooth stroke that allows the object ball to turn over in the direction of the pocket and not a punchy stroke that might make the object ball hop a little after contact or get off line.

So, a few things:

First, of course the OB is rolling smoothly towards the pocket with forward spin, duh.

Second, even if the ball hopped a little, on that shot, at that distance from the pocket, so what? After it hopped around the second diamond and rolled the rest of the table, it's still going to be rolling.

Third, guess what? He did hit it off line and hits the rail at least half a diamond in front of the pocket.

So fourth, hitting the rail before the pocket means that the OB will have rail induced spin on it and will not be rolling with pure forward spin.

So again, explain it to me.

Lou Figueroa

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