IF You've Ever Asked RKC for Table Advice..

Bobkitty

I said: "Here kitty, kitty". Got this frown.
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Just so everyone knows, I'm not in the habit of coming behind someone else's work and correcting it as that's not what i do, but in this case, i knew Mark was stuck and floundering over this job, so i felt i owed it to the customer to at least judge Marks rails fairly, so to do that, i agreed to fix the whole table in which Dennis agreed to, making him the ONLY customer in the country to have work done on a pool table by both Mark and myself....to date! And to Mark's credit, i knew there was nothing wrong with the rails Mark built from scratch, and kept telling him so, most pool table mechanics in this country don't like the idea of me following behind them fixing their work because if they did ANYTHING wrong I'd catch it and of course fix it, so you might say i owed it to Mark to make sure he got a good review of his rails. If you look at the list i provided about all the things i listed as hurting this industry, i think you'll see listed pool table mechanics on there. To be honest with everyone, i think the passion for perfection that Mark and I share far out weigh the heart of this industry because it sure seems like we're the only ones that really care about the level of work we perform as having to be second to none, whereas most just care about getting paid and getting back home on time for whatever reason, because the customers just don't have any idea what they're paying for....all they see is the new cloth on the pool table, and the balls bounce off the rails....good enough!

All true enough, but if one looks at it from my (the customer) point of view, I knew I had paid for the best built rails in the Country, yet the table was not playing that way. I'm just an average pool player but I can afford a nice playing table and by gosh, that's what I wanted. I feel bad that the business Mark is in is totally dependent on the guy at the end that sets up the customer's table. Mark isn't going to fly from Atlanta to Salem, Or. and wouldn't have the tools he would need even if he did. So, that leaves the local yokel table mechanic. I'm already worried about the need to recover the table some day. :(
I think the answer is for the powers that be (AZ Billiards, Pool Magazines, etc.) to set up a society of pool table mechanics with stringent requirements to get the certificate. Watching and demonstrating an understanding of the DVD installing Simonis would be the starting point. Then, if the pool community stuck together and refused anyone work on their tables that doesn't have the credentials. Reward the credentialed members by them charging more for their work. Once the list of certified table mechanics is out there, guys like Mark could insist that the only way he'll build rails is if the customer agrees to use one on the guys on the list. Is this possible? Glen could start a thread and get a 'sticky' for guys that want on the list. If the guys not on the list starve, maybe it'll get some interest. All kinds of examples out there for just this kind of society; Try to work on an aircraft electronic device without a certificate. Of course, that's life and death but still....aren't our pool tables that important too? Just my two cents.
 
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realkingcobra

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I can attest to the fact that there are other very dedicated table mechanics out there. Glen and Mark may be two of the best, but they aren't the only two guys who I would trust to work on my table. Ernesto has done quality work for me in the past as has Donny Wessels of West State. Most recently Steve Leistokow came out to give my Diamond table a tune-up and did a great job. The table plays near perfect now! :grin:

I know all 3 mentioned, and this goes back to what I've said in the past. When a person replaces the cloth, that's an installer. When a person replaces the cushions, that's an installer. When a person tears down, moves, and sets a pool table up, that's an installer. When a GC rail is split down the middle of the freather strip dado 3 quarters the length of the rail, and 15 3" screws are screwed into the sub rail to hold it together, that's an installer. When pockets are tightened up, even if the sub rails are extended...and the 4 corner pockets do not HAVE the same openings, that's an installer. When slates are drilled in the center and screwed down to the frame because they're crowned, but they're crowned because the frame of the table is high in the center....that's an installer. When rail bolts are broke off, and the fix is to simply drill out the broke off bolt, then install a screwed in nut plate on the bottom of the rail.... that's an installer. When you simply level a pool table, if done right.... that's an installer. When a pool table is designed to have the cloth installed with 3M FB10 glue, and it's installed with staples and sprayglue....that's an installer. When the pocket facings should be replaced or repaired, and they're held in place with spray glue and 1/2" crown staples which end upnshowing through the cloth in the pockets.... that's an installer. When the pockets have staples showing everywhere and big air bubbles in the pocket shelfs along with pocket flaps cut almost all the way up to the top of the pocket shelfs.... that's an installer.

A pool table mechanic fixes everything listed above and rebuilds what needs to be rebuilt better than new so, yes there are some great installers out there....being mistaken as pool table mechanics....sorry:embarrassed2:
 
Good Lord!

I may not be able to define porn, but I know it when I see it and that straight qualifies!

Truly unbelievable...

Thank you and I delivered and set the table up......I built the rails from scratch.....did all the veneer work.....and did all the finish work.
Now maybe people will understand why I get up set.......has nothing to do with ego.

JUST HARD WORK

Mark Gregory
 
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I know all 3 mentioned, and this goes back to what I've said in the past. When a person replaces the cloth, that's an installer. When a person replaces the cushions, that's an installer. When a person tears down, moves, and sets a pool table up, that's an installer. When a GC rail is split down the middle of the freather strip dado 3 quarters the length of the rail, and 15 3" screws are screwed into the sub rail to hold it together, that's an installer. When pockets are tightened up, even if the sub rails are extended...and the 4 corner pockets do not HAVE the same openings, that's an installer. When slates are drilled in the center and screwed down to the frame because they're crowned, but they're crowned because the frame of the table is high in the center....that's an installer. When rail bolts are broke off, and the fix is to simply drill out the broke off bolt, then install a screwed in nut plate on the bottom of the rail.... that's an installer. When you simply level a pool table, if done right.... that's an installer. When a pool table is designed to have the cloth installed with 3M FB10 glue, and it's installed with staples and sprayglue....that's an installer. When the pocket facings should be replaced or repaired, and they're held in place with spray glue and 1/2" crown staples which end upnshowing through the cloth in the pockets.... that's an installer. When the pockets have staples showing everywhere and big air bubbles in the pocket shelfs along with pocket flaps cut almost all the way up to the top of the pocket shelfs.... that's an installer.

A pool table mechanic fixes everything listed above and rebuilds what needs to be rebuilt better than new so, yes there are some great installers out there....being mistaken as pool table mechanics....sorry:embarrassed2:

Glen
You could not have spoken I better....but now your going to get hammered.....because of speaking the truth.
I build parts from scratch everyday.....like the light I build....I'm trying to do better quality work for this industry....and of course make a living.

People on here need to quit standing up for friends and help change the shitty work out here....if your and installer that's fine.....install tables the best ya can and learn more everyday until you become a mechanic.

No one is pulling against ya to not be a great mechanic......just don't act like the know it all when you start to get some knowledge under your belt.

This industry needs some really good people to fix table correctly....not just good but great.
Look how far cues have come....the balls...the cloth....the cushions....everything is getting better and better all except the table mechanic or the installer.....everything's about the money......WHAT CAN I GET AWAY WITH......AND HOW MUCH CAN I MAKE....that's how most people today look at work.
Only 2 suckers I know are me and Glen.....we can't wait to work for 3 days extra on a table for free........or do all the extras that don't pay.
Just who we are...suckers....LMAO

Mark Gregory
 

XPLSV

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Are you FKM?

How many threads do you need to make asking people for money?

Was this not your point in the first place? Yet you have 30 frackin' posts in this thread? Considering this thread started by somebody trying to do a good turn and help somebody out in need, I am simply appalled at the crap in this thread. While a bunch of you may want to judge whether a person is worthy or not to be helped out in time of need is one thing, but the fact of the matter is, there are just too many of you who love to post so you can see your own horseshit over and over. Try and find something better to do with your time.

I come on this forum mostly to seek out some knowledge on different aspects of the game. Been doing so for years. I have had some interchanges with RKC--his advice he has posted her has helped me to level out and cover two different tables by myself and there are no issues with the end product--couldn't have gotten anything better no matter what I might have paid. I have also had an unsettled disagreement on some historical aspects of a Diamond table and I chose to leave it at that...we disagree. I don't post dozens and dozens of times the same blather over and over again.

You want to help someone out in need...go ahead and do it. You don't want to...don't do--but stop wasting electrons by telling us how you don't want to do it over and over and over and over and over and over...well, you hopefully might get the point or might seek some help to get the point.
 

mchnhed

I Came, I Shot, I Choked
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OMG
How many threads do you people need to tell every other person that they don't need to make so many posts, that repeat the same information over and over asking posters to not over post their opinions on the same subject that was posted just last month and just keeps repeating over and over and over until no one is reading any of these many, many viewpoints on subjects that we have repeated and repeated and repeated until there is no more time in the day to get any of work done and my boss is breathing down my neck to get my projects done and my wife is upset because I'm always on AbZ at night instead of pleasuring her and the kids think Dad is......



Was this not your point in the first place? Yet you have 30 frackin' posts in this thread? Considering this thread started by somebody trying to do a good turn and help somebody out in need, I am simply appalled at the crap in this thread. While a bunch of you may want to judge whether a person is worthy or not to be helped out in time of need is one thing, but the fact of the matter is, there are just too many of you who love to post so you can see your own horseshit over and over. Try and find something better to do with your time.

I come on this forum mostly to seek out some knowledge on different aspects of the game. Been doing so for years. I have had some interchanges with RKC--his advice he has posted her has helped me to level out and cover two different tables by myself and there are no issues with the end product--couldn't have gotten anything better no matter what I might have paid. I have also had an unsettled disagreement on some historical aspects of a Diamond table and I chose to leave it at that...we disagree. I don't post dozens and dozens of times the same blather over and over again.

You want to help someone out in need...go ahead and do it. You don't want to...don't do--but stop wasting electrons by telling us how you don't want to do it over and over and over and over and over and over...well, you hopefully might get the point or might seek some help to get the point.
 
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Rimfirejunkie

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OMG
How many threads do you people need to tell every other person that they don't need to make so many posts, that repeat the same information over and over asking posters to not over post their opinions on the same subject that was posted just last month and just keeps repeating over and over and over until no one is reading any of these many, many viewpoints on subjects that we have repeated and repeated and repeated until there is no more time in the day to get any of work done and my boss is breathing down my neck to get my projects done and my wife is upset because I'm always on AbZ at night instead of pleasuring her and the kids think Dad is......

*****ing about *****ing is... Still *****ing!
 

easy-e

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Was this not your point in the first place? Yet you have 30 frackin' posts in this thread? Considering this thread started by somebody trying to do a good turn and help somebody out in need, I am simply appalled at the crap in this thread. While a bunch of you may want to judge whether a person is worthy or not to be helped out in time of need is one thing, but the fact of the matter is, there are just too many of you who love to post so you can see your own horseshit over and over. Try and find something better to do with your time.

I come on this forum mostly to seek out some knowledge on different aspects of the game. Been doing so for years. I have had some interchanges with RKC--his advice he has posted her has helped me to level out and cover two different tables by myself and there are no issues with the end product--couldn't have gotten anything better no matter what I might have paid. I have also had an unsettled disagreement on some historical aspects of a Diamond table and I chose to leave it at that...we disagree. I don't post dozens and dozens of times the same blather over and over again.

You want to help someone out in need...go ahead and do it. You don't want to...don't do--but stop wasting electrons by telling us how you don't want to do it over and over and over and over and over and over...well, you hopefully might get the point or might seek some help to get the point.

Welcome to the party.
 

easy-e

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OMG
How many threads do you people need to tell every other person that they don't need to make so many posts, that repeat the same information over and over asking posters to not over post their opinions on the same subject that was posted just last month and just keeps repeating over and over and over until no one is reading any of these many, many viewpoints on subjects that we have repeated and repeated and repeated until there is no more time in the day to get any of work done and my boss is breathing down my neck to get my projects done and my wife is upset because I'm always on AbZ at night instead of pleasuring her and the kids think Dad is......

What just happened?
 

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CJH

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Good Lord!

I may not be able to define porn, but I know it when I see it and that straight qualifies!

Truly unbelievable...

You should see it in person. I am the fortunate one that gets to play on it every day. As beautiful as it is, I am continually elated by how it plays.
 
You should see it in person. I am the fortunate one that gets to play on it every day. As beautiful as it is, I am continually elated by how it plays.

Chris
You by far have one of the best looking and playing tables I've ever see and played on.
I was shocked when I put it together and stood back and looked it over. Then when I hit balls on it the rails and table played so well.
Sounds like I'm bragging....trust me I'm not......I just made all the parts.....one section at a time and I don't have the room in my shop to assemble the complete table. The first time the table was togethe was when I got it in Chris's house in Texas.
Talk about being a nevous wreck assembling each part of the table hoping everything matches up perfectly.
Table turned out awesome in every aspect.....even Dean liked it....and that's hard. Lol
Mark Gregory
 
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