1 pocket rules question

richiebalto said:
Hey Lou,do u read all the posts in a thread before u post,i dont think u did here,because ours are just about the same,but anyway it is nice to know that u see the same as i do on this subject,makes me feel a little sharper today!
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I read them all, Richie, but I thought the point about the line rule being a house rule versus a league or rule book rule was worth pointing out.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Go to one dollar store and buy a $1 laser shooter, place laser at diamond of head string and shoot across to other diamond, if laser touches ball it is playable.
 
naji said:
Go to one dollar store and buy a $1 laser shooter, place laser at diamond of head string and shoot across to other diamond, if laser touches ball it is playable.
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Sounds like you like the "whole ball" version of the rule. If so, then if the laser touches the ball it would be UNplayable.

pj
chgo
 
tatcat2000 said:
...there is another possibility.

Disclaimers: First, I completely agree that the rules should be decided upon before the match. That's a no-brainer. If the rules that you decide upon for those issues not specifically covered by 1P rules are anything but WSR, this post is IRRELEVANT. Second, I am not a 1P player, and though I know the rules I have no earthly idea whether or not the shot discussed below might be desirable from a strategic point of view. But neither do I care. I know that bizarre things happen all the time concerning the rules, and my only interest here is that everyone have a complete understanding of what is technically legal under WSR.

So, here is the situation. If you choose to play by WSR, and defer to them concerning the OP situation governed properly by WSR 6.10 (which is referred to in WSR 1.5, as noted in post 8, and is applicable), then that ball behind the line might actually be playable because of a loophole in 6.10.

And now, instead of retyping or copying the entire discussion, I refer you to a thread from earlier this year, which you only need to pick up at post #53. The shot diagrammed in that post is relevant to this discussion and, when WSR is governing a 1P game, is just as legal in 1P as in 14.1.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=259266&highlight=kitchen
:smile:

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i could not get any pictures of table layouts to appear in your link
 
tatcat2000 said:
... then that ball behind the line might actually be playable because of a loophole in 6.10.
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I think this refers to...

If the cue ball crosses the headstring before it contacts an object ball, then you are allowed to play any ball on the table. If an object ball is near the spot and just barely completely behind the line, it would be legal to cut that ball back into a head pocket as the (center of) the cue ball will cross the line before contact.

If this ever happens while I'm around, I'll buy both players a drink.
 
It is the base of the ball unless otherwise agreed on.Where I play it is the base of the ball but If I am playing a some1 who is new to me or a certain player from Chicago (old time 1 pocket player) it might be the whole ball.

Some rules should be clarified beforehand if you are playing a stranger or a 1 pocket tournament player:3 foul rule ;(ridiculous rule for 1 hole but often used in tourneys) ; jump cue, (almost universally a no but peeps will use it to get out of a bad game if not stated beforehand);headstring/cueball/objectball issues (also includes breaking).

My comments are only in regards to action.
 
smoooothstroke said:
It is the base of the ball unless otherwise agreed on.Where I play it is the base of the ball but If I am playing a some1 who is new to me or a certain player from Chicago (old time 1 pocket player) it might be the whole ball.

Some rules should be clarified beforehand if you are playing a stranger or a 1 pocket tournament player:3 foul rule ;(ridiculous rule for 1 hole but often used in tourneys) ; jump cue, (almost universally a no but peeps will use it to get out of a bad game if not stated beforehand);headstring/cueball/objectball issues (also includes breaking).

My comments are only in regards to action.
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Hmmm, that jump cue statement is something a certain player might try on me. This is something to bring up the next time I play him.
 
bbb said:
i could not get any pictures of table layouts to appear in your link
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Sorry...working on that.

Just out of curiosity, anyone else having trouble getting Shockwave to display CueTable? I'm getting error messages concerning animated GIF's and Xtra folders. Been researching it through the Adobe website and various other sources, but luck yet. I had to wipe my machines slick a few months ago and start fresh.There seem to be some references out there to the problem going back as far as 2010 and Shockwave 8, and since I'm starting with 11 I thought I might be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. Sorry for the NPR, but since I'm only having a problem with CueTable I thought just maybe someone would know something...

Buddy
 
tatcat2000 said:
Sorry...working on that.

Just out of curiosity, anyone else having trouble getting Shockwave to display CueTable? I'm getting error messages concerning animated GIF's and Xtra folders. Been researching it through the Adobe website and various other sources, but luck yet. I had to wipe my machines slick a few months ago and start fresh.There seem to be some references out there to the problem going back as far as 2010 and Shockwave 8, and since I'm starting with 11 I thought I might be missing something. Any ideas would be appreciated. Sorry for the NPR, but since I'm only having a problem with CueTable I thought just maybe someone would know something...

Buddy
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I've been able to make it work, and I've seen the xtra and gif errors plenty of times... as far as I can tell, the secret to solving them is simply this:

• close all browsers. The browser might imply you can install the plugin then just refresh the page but that's generally wrong. Close out totally first.
• fully uninstall shockwave. You may want to use a 3rd party program that completely wipes it out, such as Revo Uninstaller.
• download latest straight from Adobe's site and install it. Only takes a minute.
• Restart the browser and go to http://Pool.bz/P
• Login if necessary, recommend you stay check the option to stay logged in.
• If a popup comes up saying you need to give shockwave permission to run, say yes.
You should see the shockwave loading bar. If it fails to fully load, or seems to hang, close the browser entirely, restart it and go to pool.bz/P. If it still refuses to load or pops up an error, PM me.
 
I have never, outside of maybe some local bar rules, have seen a ball called not in front of the line unless the base of the ball where it touches the table is behind the line.

In a one pocket game, it would be a total shock to me if a player though a ball is behind the line if any part of it was over it. It's the exact same thing as my example earlier about a ball hanging over a pocket opening. If a ball is behind the line if any part of it is behind the line, than a ball needs to be called "In" if any part of it is hanging over the pocket opening.

To use another analogy, it would be like a speed limit on a road, if you had a car that could go backwards at 80, you would still get a ticket for speeding. Backward or forward does not matter. An edge behind the line is the same edge in front of the pocket.
 
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