1 Reason For All The 100 Ball Runs
- Thread starter Johnnyt
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Wonder what they would run on a valley bar box?
That is most likely true, but I'm pretty sure traditionally 14.1 has not been played on super tight tables that would be appropriate for rotation games or 8 ball. Also, it's not like someone runs 100 in every match. In fact there were several matches on the stream table last night that went several innings. If they want to set up the tables with slightly generous pockets that will yield crowd pleasing long runs that are in line with historical standards that's ok with me.
Here's the specs from BCA, 4.6" is actually under standard. The current standards are for the most part ignored.
POCKET OPENINGS & MEASUREMENTS (cloth-covered rails):
Pockets openings are measured from tip to tip of the opposing cushion noses where direction changes into the pocket. This is called the mouth.
Corner Pocket: Mouth 4 7/8” minimum to 5 1/8” maximum Side Pocket: Mouth 5 3/8” minimum to 5 5/8” maximum
The angle at the corner pocket entrance on each side of the pocket is 142o (± 1o). The angle at the side pocket entrance on each side of the pocket is 103o (± 2o).
Vertical Pocket Angle: 12o minimum to 15o maximum
Shelf: The shelf is measured from the center of the imaginary line that goes from one side of the mouth to the other where the nose of the cushion changes direction to the center of the vertical cut of the slate pocket radius.
Corner Pocket: 1 5/8” minimum to 1 7/8” maximum Side Pocket: 0” minimum to 3/8” maximum
Drop Point Slate Radius: The pocket radius measured from the vertical cut of the slate to the playing surface.
Drop Point Slate Radius: 1/8” radius minimum to 1⁄4” radius minimum
I agree. But this is suppose to be a "World 14.1 Tournament", and the pockets might be larger than the WPA max. Johnnyt
Believe it or not, 14.1 is tougher on a barbox. WAY more congestion. CB control has to be top notch all the time. There is much less area to open up balls into. They tend to stay blocked, not open, so you have to really be very precise in all ball movement.
I have always heard that for 14.1, players look for a larger than a "tight" pocket. I think in order of tightness they like it's One Pocket for close to 4" pockets, then 8,9,10 for 4.5" pockets, and 14.1 for over 4.5". Since I'm not close to a pro, and don't play one pocket or straight pool I can't say my comments are from experience, just what I have picked up from player interviews.
This is a bit like the TAR thing with keeping the tight pockets or going to the larger ones for more racks strung and to allow the players to catch a gear better. Do we, or they, want tougher equipment and see lower runs or to have the exitement of seeing 100+ ball runs.
This is a bit like the TAR thing with keeping the tight pockets or going to the larger ones for more racks strung and to allow the players to catch a gear better. Do we, or they, want tougher equipment and see lower runs or to have the exitement of seeing 100+ ball runs.
As mentioned in another thread, I think it's a combination of factors. You have a lot more people capable of it, so you will naturally see it more often. And, the tables are much easier to play on than they used to be because of the cloth and the speed of the rails. In the past, you had to move balls around, today, you just have to bump them around. Makes a huge difference in a game like 14.1.
i guess u posted as same time-my memory was 4/78-5 1/8 also so they are actually under the MINIMUM if indeed they are 4.6.
so just about every tourny played in the last 10 years really shouldn't go into the record books-There was a guy around NY who couldn't tell you this often enough.
I disagree only because I've played it on both and it was waaaaaaay too easy on a barbox.
I've played on both also, and I feel it's tougher on a bar box. ?? I'm talking about making high runs on it, not just getting a rack or so.
I've actually practiced 14.1 on a barbox. I can run more on a 9-foot table, no doubt. I agree with Neil, congestion issues almost always hinder my runs. Now, if we're talking about an 8-foot table, that's different. I think you get sufficient space to have few clusters and the shorter shots begin to pay-off.
I never play 14.1, and honestly I don't remember what my high run is. I ran 30 something once on a 9' gold crown. But I've played twice on a diamond barbox and both times beat whatever my 9' highrun is several times. And honestly, I don't even remember the numbers because it didn't mean anything other than winning the money I was playing for.
Yeah, I mean, on a barbox, you really need to be taking advantage of the short-shots and set-up for breaks that clobber the rack. Any other type of breakshot is going to leave a huge amount of luck. I just know from playing a lot of 14.1, there are certain balls that naturally set-up nicely for secondary breakshots and on a small table, that might not happen.
I don't doubt that you broke your highrun on a barbox but really, we're talking about getting two nice breaks in a row. For Neil or myself, we'd need 6 or 7 (possibly more). That's a little more problematic.
You are right-I guess the WPA changed and the BCA did not? Then again i thought the BCA automatically incorporated the WPA regs on equip? I do remember 4&7/8- 5&1/8 on something. Bob Jewett probably will chime in w the history.
It's only the TV table i think
Yes. All of the other tables are Brunswick Gold Crown IIIs.
That's because they get it , spectators want to see runs not just in 14.1 either in all games , the ridicules notion spectators want to see safety battles is ludicrous , more offense = entertainment
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