10 ball ghost - speed rating system

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Eagleshot

Mark Nanashee
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At one point someone had posted a speed rating system. This was to help people gauge where they fall in the grand scheme of things. 10 racks of 10 ball ghost and keep up with how many balls you make. If possible, could someone post this again. I cannot remember the specifics on the ratings.

ie: 70-80 balls = pro speed
: 60-69 balls = A Player

so on and so forth.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

For those interested (if any) after 10 sessions of 10 racks I have been averaging 30 balls. It is harder then one might think. I normally run one rack per 10 racks but then might miss the 0ne ball trying to break out the 2. (end up with a zero)

I did mention in my first post.

"I MISS BALL IN HAND"
 
Rack up some 10 ball. Break from anywhere. After the break, take ball in hand and run out, in rotation (1, 2, 3, etc...) All balls made on the break count. Any balls made on a scratch are spotted. Once you miss, the rack is over. You should shoot 10 racks and count the total balls made for each rack. After 10 racks, take your total and compare it to this chart:

30-35 D+
36-40 C
41-45 C+
46-50 B
51-55 B+
56-60 A
61-65 A+
66-70 A++
71-up Pro
 
Our own Joe Tucker uses this as one way to rate his student's abilities. The rating scale for competing with the 10-ball ghost is published in his EXCELLENT booklet "Guaranteed Improvement Drills."

If no one comes up with it before this evening, I'll post it on this thread (this dang day job is definitely interfering with my pool habit).
 
Looks interesting. I tried the 14.1 speed rating but was not happy with my rating...let's see if I can do a little better with this one.
 
Probably just complaining here -


This system does not account for safety play at all. I do not know anyone that would believe me if I told them I was a D+ player.

Am I in Denial or are there other attributes that effect this system?

K-Town or Mike Templeton - Be brutally honest - Do you guys feel I'm a D+ player (K-Town don't tell me below D+)
 
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I don't really think this drill is a very good way to rate yourself. As with any rotational game, a lot of how you do depends on the layout after the break. Anyone under a B player won't be as proficient with breaking up clusters so they may get rated lower because they just didn't get the rolls.

I did this drill a few months ago and thought it was a little off. I scored a 60, 52 and 68 (didn't have time for 10 trys). This would mean I vary between a A, A+ and A++ player. I know I have my moments but I am certainly not anything above an A player, usually anyways.
 
I have scored as high as 53 and as low as 19. This tells me I am either very inconsistant or I've just diognosed myself as having multiple personalities.
 
Awesome cant wait to try this. We should have a 10-Ball AZ challenge.
 
Eagleshot said:
Probably just complaining here -


This system does not account for safety play at all. I do not know anyone that would believe me if I told them I was a D+ player.

Am I in Denial or are there other attributes that effect this system?

K-Town or Mike Templeton - Be brutally honest - Do you guys feel I'm a D+ player (K-Town don't tell me below D+)
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In my experience, there is a bit of leeway depnding on how the balls were racked, what size table and where you broke from/how hard you hit the rack.

When I do it, I usually break from the middle of the table, with a medium break stroke. I'm not trying to make a ball on the break. I just want to get a good spread so I can take BIH and run some balls. This way, it evens out my breaks and I don't have sets where I make an unusual amount of balls on the break. I think the most important thing is it's a consistant way to gauge my progress over time.


Eric
 
Eagleshot said:
Probably just complaining here -


This system does not account for safety play at all. I do not know anyone that would believe me if I told them I was a D+ player.

Am I in Denial or are there other attributes that effect this system?

K-Town or Mike Templeton - Be brutally honest - Do you guys feel I'm a D+ player (K-Town don't tell me below D+)
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I hate to try to clock anybody's speed for them but I do think that you play at about a C level. There are times when you play better and obviously there are times when you play worse, but overall I think you have definitely played yourself out of the D category.

Now for a rant.
I have never agreed with rating someone a +. IMO, either you are an A,B, C, or D. Anyone rated above that is considered a pro or an "open" player. If you are a C player the only person you should expect weight from is someone substantially better than yourself such as an obvious B. If you depend on an incremental spot for every margin of ability you will become dependant and your ability to improve will suffer.

I find that I typically play much better when I am not relying on a spot. I have won 4 open tournaments in the past year. I have only won one handicap tournament in the same time frame and I was rated a C+ (go figure). I simply play better when I have to play up to my competition.

Simply put- Don't label yourself to be a certain speed or that is what you will become. If you say to yourself that you are a competent player that is capable of winning any match you will have a mental edge from the start.
 
Ktown D said:
I hate to try to clock anybody's speed for them but I do think that you play at about a C level. There are times when you play better and obviously there are times when you play worse, but overall I think you have definitely played yourself out of the D category.

Now for a rant.
I have never agreed with rating someone a +. IMO, either you are an A,B, C, or D. Anyone rated above that is considered a pro or an "open" player. If you are a C player the only person you should expect weight from is someone substantially better than yourself such as an obvious B. If you depend on an incremental spot for every margin of ability you will become dependant and your ability to improve will suffer.

I find that I typically play much better when I am not relying on a spot. I have won 4 open tournaments in the past year. I have only won one handicap tournament in the same time frame and I was rated a C+ (go figure). I simply play better when I have to play up to my competition.

Simply put- Don't label yourself to be a certain speed or that is what you will become. If you say to yourself that you are a competent player that is capable of winning any match you will have a mental edge from the start.
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yea!....what he said!

Gerry
 
Ktown D said:
Simply put- Don't label yourself to be a certain speed or that is what you will become. If you say to yourself that you are a competent player that is capable of winning any match you will have a mental edge from the start.
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Wow, Ktown D - I had no idea you were so cerebral. I thought you were just a big goofy ba*tard.

...............Kidding, Don't kill me. Ktown D is alittle taller then me but I think I have a few lbs on him.




Seriously, I agree. You can trap yourself mentally. If you believe you are a C Player, The best you will become is a C player. Thanks for the advice.
 
Eagleshot said:
Probably just complaining here -


This system does not account for safety play at all. I do not know anyone that would believe me if I told them I was a D+ player.

Am I in Denial or are there other attributes that effect this system?

K-Town or Mike Templeton - Be brutally honest - Do you guys feel I'm a D+ player (K-Town don't tell me below D+)
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The ghost is harder than most of us make out. In that drill you can make 50 balls and be even with the 10-ball ghost after 10 games. That's a 909 accu-stats rating, usually considered very good in a pro match. Six-ball playing even with the ghost is still an 855 rating, easier of course because it's 6-ball, but still only easy for good players.

unknownpro
 
Could someone please explain what "10 ball ghost" means? I know that drill, but why do they call it 10 ball ghost or 12 ball ghost? Thanks.
 
I am amazed that no one here has pointed out the similarity of this rating game to Pool Mags original game called "99." In a game of 99, you play 9 racks of 9 ball. You get one bonus point for making a ball on the break (in addition to the point for the ball). Eleven points are possible on each rack for a maximum total of 99. As I remember, anyone that could score over 80 for an average was considered professional level.

This game was pretty popular for a while, but in the last year it seems to have died out. You can still find the rules on the Pool Mag website, but they do not list the "speed" ratings. All they say is that you are an advanced player if you score over a 50. This new rating system for ten ball is nothing more than a minor change to the original 99 rating system. The weakness is the safety play aspect, but a good player will generally rate out about right due to a good break and the ability to break out problem clusters. Combo shots making the 9 ball are given maximum points for the entire rack. Hope this info helps.
 
Strongly agree with your "rant"

Few people ever exceed their own expectations. If you put yourself in a box you will have a hard time getting out of it.

Hu

Ktown D said:
I hate to try to clock anybody's speed for them but I do think that you play at about a C level. There are times when you play better and obviously there are times when you play worse, but overall I think you have definitely played yourself out of the D category.

Now for a rant.
I have never agreed with rating someone a +. IMO, either you are an A,B, C, or D. Anyone rated above that is considered a pro or an "open" player. If you are a C player the only person you should expect weight from is someone substantially better than yourself such as an obvious B. If you depend on an incremental spot for every margin of ability you will become dependant and your ability to improve will suffer.

I find that I typically play much better when I am not relying on a spot. I have won 4 open tournaments in the past year. I have only won one handicap tournament in the same time frame and I was rated a C+ (go figure). I simply play better when I have to play up to my competition.

Simply put- Don't label yourself to be a certain speed or that is what you will become. If you say to yourself that you are a competent player that is capable of winning any match you will have a mental edge from the start.
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bowliards

Here in Japan they use a system called bowliards to get a tour card basically you rack ten balls, you break no BIH and you shoot at any ball you want to.You score it just like bowling if you run out it's a strike if you miss or foul it's a spare or whatever you ball total was.You play three games and take the total score.I don't remember the exact breakdown of classes but a 630 avg is considered "pro".I was going to take the test but you have to pay and I was told they don't give cards to foreign players.
 
Never tried the 10 ball ghost... I'll start soon... I've played the 9 a few times.. I'd like to think that out of 10 racks I could average (safely) 5 balls a rack - that'd put me in the B+ range.. I'd say that's about right.

A on my good days, B+ on my average days.... and if I were to stop stalling I'd probably average 10 a rack.
 
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