Can you call "safe" and pocket a ball forcing your opponent to shoot the next shot being hooked? Hope that makes sense.
10-Ball Rule... What is it?
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No,you can't
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I don't think you can do that intentionally. It's either make the ball or call safe.
What I don't know is if you can call save and make that lowest numbered object ball "accidentally". Playing safe and making a ball on purpose has applications in 8 ball mathces all the time.
What scenario are you shooting this in 10 ball? Pretty much if you can make the ball you are trying to continue the run. I've never had a layout that would call for this, but I could envision some.
What I don't know is if you can call save and make that lowest numbered object ball "accidentally". Playing safe and making a ball on purpose has applications in 8 ball mathces all the time.
What scenario are you shooting this in 10 ball? Pretty much if you can make the ball you are trying to continue the run. I've never had a layout that would call for this, but I could envision some.
If you are playing with called safe in 10 Ball, if you accidentally (or on purpose in this case LOL) pocket a ball, they can pass the shot back to you.
I like playing called shot, but the called safe part especially being able to pass the shot back, I'm iffy about. It does prevent what you described though. In the NJ 10 Ball state tournament they had called shot but not called safe, they got around the rule by saying that you can't shoot an obvious shot in the hole while calling a safe.
If you are playing by the WPA 10 Ball World Standardized Rules and you call safe and pocket a ball your opponent can then either take the shot or pass the shot back to you if they wish.
I personally like the "call shot AND call safe" rule, if in effect...eliminates two-way shots. If you call safe and make a ball, opponent gets choice. If you call a shot and miss, yet roll safe, opponent also gets a choice. You either execute the shot correctly to continue shooting, or execute the safety correctly to put your opponent in the hole. Absolutely no luck involved. I admit I'm in the minority on this preference, but there it is.
Unfortunately, I don't think you're in the minority.
I dislike call-shot 10-ball, I think it takes skill OUT of the game.
These rules eliminate some of the great shots of players like Efren.
What is wrong with playing a ball in, playing position on the next ball, and if the shot
doesn't drop, your opponent is snookered?
Call shot 10-ball is like the game devolving to bar rules...:angry:
Ummm.... Under WSR 10-ball rules you can play such shots. Your opponent only has the choice if you make an uncalled ball without making the ball you called.
What you can't really play at WSR 10-ball is a shot in which you might make either of two balls. Well, you can play it but you better make the one you call.
Under WSR 10-ball rules, it is never to your advantage to call "safe". You should always call the ball that is most likely to fall in. Of course, If there is only 1 chance in 10,000,000 that a ball will go in, you might not bother calling it.
9.6 Safety
The shooter, after the break at anytime may call “safety” which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning.
However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)
I was responding to WestPoint, who favors 'call shot with the option'....
...but I don't much like WSR either....
...did you ever have a leave where you feel you're and underdog to make the shot OR
make the carom....but if you play both, you are a favorite?...skillful decision, IMO.
Dallas West showed me a simple 3-c situation....he said if the guy makes this one short,
I know he can't beat me.....if you hit it long, you have three ways of scoring.
...and the billiard game that produces the most millionaires?......
....nobody has fluked a world snooker championship.
I got no gripe with bank pool or straight pool ...call shots suits those games.
I feel a lot of the griping about lucking balls in is a product of vanity.....
..."Yeah, he beat me on luck, but I'm a better player." .....
Better players play better two way shots.
They sure do. And the best players either make the shot, or lock you up.
If you don't pocket a called ball, then any ball you make creates a push that your opponent can take or refuse. It doesn't matter if you call safe or not. However, if you don't call safe and the shot is "obvious" (no combo, bank or carom), then you've pocketed a "called" ball and must continue.
You can call a ball and pocket but miss, leaving your opponent safe.
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I was responding to WestPoint, who favors 'call shot with the option'....
...but I don't much like WSR either....
...did you ever have a leave where you feel you're and underdog to make the shot OR
make the carom....but if you play both, you are a favorite?...skillful decision, IMO.
Dallas West showed me a simple 3-c situation....he said if the guy makes this one short,
I know he can't beat me.....if you hit it long, you have three ways of scoring.
...and the billiard game that produces the most millionaires?......
....nobody has fluked a world snooker championship.
I got no gripe with bank pool or straight pool ...call shots suits those games.
I feel a lot of the griping about lucking balls in is a product of vanity.....
..."Yeah, he beat me on luck, but I'm a better player." .....
This pretty much sums up my feelings on the game. The only time I play ten ball is when the table is breaking too easy and adding a ball to the rack. I still play the game like I play nine ball.
I can't deal with having the incoming player giving a shot back because they got a bad leave. View attachment 388415 It's like being PC in pool. Quit changing the game and making rules so everybody gets a trophy. View attachment 388416
Best,
Mike
I have played an entire year of call shot/call safe 10 ball and I like it. I was very dubious to begin with but was surprised how rarely the call shot/ safe part actually came up. I hated losing the two way shot. and feel it changed the risk reward ratio a bit. Also, I feel players are more conservative about trying tougher shots where they might lose the CB and leave themselves hooked. But, I did like it when my opponent missed and unintentionally hooked me and I was able to pass it back.
Again, in 10 ball I think call shot/call safe is the way to go. In 9 ball, I like WOT.
Al
Again, in 10 ball I think call shot/call safe is the way to go. In 9 ball, I like WOT.
Al
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I really like playing ten ball but using 9-ball rules. Just not golden break.
Official rules are okay but is 9-ball rules are more fun for railbirds and players. IMO.
Extra ball and more difficult break is enough to make different and difficult enough without different rules.
Official rules are okay but is 9-ball rules are more fun for railbirds and players. IMO.
Extra ball and more difficult break is enough to make different and difficult enough without different rules.
This is not a sound argument. What if you pocket the intended ball but your cue ball goes wild? Then there's "luck" and you can't predict with high accuracy what will happen so I wouldn't say that you have the shot down completely "correctly". Or I'll interrupt your every next shot because your cue rolls 2 inches too far unintended so you haven't executed the shot "correct".
Personally, I play "call shot" but the "pass back" can only be used if the lowest numbered ball goes into an unintended pocket. I think that's enough to fix the flaw that people can exploit with the "call shot" rule alone. This still allows two-way shots. Moreover, you won't need the "call safe" rule (which is a by-product of the call shot's pass back) so there will be no "pass back" if any ball get pocketed during a safety). And you won't get BS like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPj20afa1M8 in which I think Strickland shoot be shooting.