10 ball rules

[Cuebacca]

Maybe we should do away with homeruns, hole in ones and hail marys. They really don't take that much work. Not compared to the other ways of winning.

BVal

All of those analogies break down when you consider the logic behind spotting the 10 on the break.

To put it simply, everyone's luck factor is pretty equal for a home run, hole-in-one, or Hail Mary. For a pool rack, the dominant portion of this "luck factor" is in the racker's hands whether he knows it or not.

There isn't any perfect solution to the problems with the rack, but rather all you can do is choose the minimally bad solution, which unfortunately is a matter of opinion.

 

[tjlmbklr]

What's really preposterous is giving a game credit for any shot executed that is absolutely, 110% LUCK even with "help" by the racker! It's B.S. all the way, whether it's 9-Ball, 10-Ball, or 8-Ball! All "break" wins should be kicked to the curb like a bad habit.

Amen Brother!

 

[tjlmbklr]

It's pretty rare for it to happen and as far as I know the only way it can be abused is if the two balls behind the 10 are a bit loose. So if the 10 goes at all and they're racked properly, it's sheer luck, another ball banked around the table and kicked it in.

I don't like the idea of luck determining the outcome of the match, but like 8 on the break it's pretty rare so I don't feel too cheated when I'm playing with rules where it's an instawin. If I drop a game out of every 30 or worse to that... I can live with it.

edit: tjlmbklr you'll have to show video proof of you getting the 10 in "1 out of every 12". There better be at least 50 breaks with four golden ones I might buy it if Joe Tucker says it's that common but he doesn't. Meanwhile the local kids at the pool hall can get the 9 moving towards the corner every time by intentionally pulling a ball off the rack a tiny bit. But I have not seen anyone who can replicate that feat with 10 ball even if they're aware of the important balls just behind the 10. From what I understand, the odds of a golden break at highest in 9 ball, 2nd highest in 10 ball, then 8 ball comes last.

Um, sure....ah I'll get right on that....with no editing either... :thumbup:

I may have exaggerated a bit, but the point is the physics of the rack seem to make the 10 move quite a bit more.

 

[BVal]

All of those analogies break down when you consider the logic behind spotting the 10 on the break.

To put it simply, everyone's luck factor is pretty equal for a home run, hole-in-one, or Hail Mary. For a pool rack, the dominant portion of this "luck factor" is in the racker's hands whether he knows it or not.

There isn't any perfect solution to the problems with the rack, but rather all you can do is choose the minimally bad solution, which unfortunately is a matter of opinion.

I agree with spotting the ball if it is made it the bottom two pockets. I had already said that before. Even in those other sports there is a certain amount of luck that goes into those feats. Just because there is luck involved doesn't mean it should be done away with completely. I mean where do you end it? What if you have already broke and you shoot a combo on the money ball. You miss the pocket you are aiming for and it goes in another pocket. Should that be spotted up as well? Or should it be that we shoot all the balls in order no matter what and if one goes in early we spot it up. Call your ball and call your pocket and if it doesn't go clean or without "luck" then it doesn't count. As far as the rules actually go. I don't care what they are as long as they are the same for everybody playing in that particular tournament.

BVal

 

[blah blah]

Alright man, I answered your first question diligently about the 9 ball and calling it or lucking it in. Now I am starting to think you're just one of those types who likes to rattle cages...and if you decide your 75 post reputation is going to "RED" rep me....go for it. It won't do any good especially since I know I will get about 30 "GREEN" reps from other because of it.

Read his post history. He is rattling cages. It's either humor or trolling. I lean towards the former (especially since his name keeps putting that old song in my head), but it could also be the latter. Can't tell yet for sure.

 

[Cuebacca]

I agree with spotting the ball if it is made it the bottom two pockets. I had already said that before. Even in those other sports there is a certain amount of luck that goes into those feats.

In those other sports, there's no way that I know of to game the luck factor though. That's what makes the break shot unique and difficult to compare to those other examples.

Just because there is luck involved doesn't mean it should be done away with completely. I mean where do you end it? What if you have already broke and you shoot a combo on the money ball. You miss the pocket you are aiming for and it goes in another pocket. Should that be spotted up as well? Or should it be that we shoot all the balls in order no matter what and if one goes in early we spot it up. Call your ball and call your pocket and if it doesn't go clean or without "luck" then it doesn't count. As far as the rules actually go. I don't care what they are as long as they are the same for everybody playing in that particular tournament.

BVal

"Where it ends" is subjective, but there is a big difference between winning on the break and lucking the ball in later in the rack.

The difference is that if you count the money ball on the break, you're opening the door to allowing a "trick shot" to be set up, either on purpose or at the will of how the cloth divots are set up.

There will always be some luck in the game, but spotting the money ball on the break is a low hanging fruit to reducing arguments, reducing potential cheating that can look like luck, etc.

IMO, it's only a matter of time before someone figures out how to make the money ball shoot out up table, but I'm not too concerned about that; spotting money balls made in the foot pockets is OK by me for a compromise.

 

[real irish]

Let us just get it over with. Everybody play 15 ball and see who is really the best!!!