10 Interesting and Creative Shots … Are They Legal in the APA or WPA?
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KyHighball
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Legal for sure
The jump shot (and the jump cue) is a very important weapon in modern pool. Prohibiting it would be a major change to the game.
As defined by the rules on jump shots, or the lack thereof, the mesh pocket shot is legal. There is no scooping of the cue ball.
Agreed.
And jump shots have been legal at pool for at least a century. It's only since 1980 or so that the added equipment made it possible for everyone.
Guy Manges
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Dr. Dave it would all be great if the human minds eye could see what your resources show... Guy
I’m not sure what you mean; but if are referring to “seeing” stuff like double hits directly, that is not usually possible. But if you understand how pool balls react, it is usually blatantly obvious when there is a double hit or not per the info and demos here:
The problem is making the calls - making all miscues legal or all illegal solves that. But which?
I lean toward all legal, if only so we can see what Corey comes up with.
pj
chgo
Maybe all double hits should be legal too. Then Corey could really get “creative.”
FYI, I already have some good examples of how intentional miscues can be used (or abused) in the videos under “intentional miscue fouls” on the miscue resource page.
tomatoshooter
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I don't think they should be allowed. In WPA rules, at least as far as I'm aware, I can't think of a situation where a miscue would be advantageous. I'm sure there are but they would seem to be rare enough, and the better outcome unlikely enough that it's not a big deal. The most likely scenario I can think of is a draw shot that hops, which I don't see giving a better result than a properly executed shot very often. Like the shot in your video, the accidental breaking up of the cluster is nice but the shooter still gives up the table under WPA rules. In a rotation game it would be a foul.
The shot using a double hit on the cue ball to corral the 8 ball into the pocket, that's a shot that could not be duplicated without a foul, so I wouldn't want to let that slide if unintentional..
I can't remember if you did a video on the guy playing 9 ball? He was stretched out over the table and tried to draw the ball, but hopped over, bounced off the end rail and made a good hit. The ref called a foul. That is one of the few situations where a miscue could be very beneficial if it was deemed legal, but it's still not a situation that I see coming up often.
I suppose I could work on some "questionable" shots to exploit the gray area but the amount of work to see much results would be better directed at the more typical shots. Likewise, I'm not too worried about another player gaining an advantage with those types of shots. If the other player has the extra capacity to perfect those shots, they are going to beat me anyway.
When shooting a 'masse shot', hitting the cue ball on the left makes it go to the left. If you shoot the same shot upward from a web pocket, the cue ball will curve to the right. Just some trivia.
Many examples are demonstrated in the videos beneath the "intentional miscue fouls" paragraph here:
Agreed. Luckily, that type of miscue shot is currently an unsportsmanlike conduct foul since intentional miscues are not allowed.
That call was incorrect. I have a link to the shot along with many other bad calls from pro tournaments here:
If the rules were changed to allow double hits, intentional miscues (and even push shots or cue-swipe shots or scoop shots), the first thing I would do is put out a video series showing all the creative ways the new rules could be abused to one's benefit. I hope the rules people don't open that "can or worms."
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I thought of adding that to the video as a curiosity, but it didn't really fit in. And it is not really useful since the same masse shot can easily be made with a standard "above the table" stroke.
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