$10 Moori tips?

[macguy]

well my mechanic doesnt charge more for the parts, just his cost.

and his price is always cheaper than i could buy it for, even his oil.

go figger ????

people are alowed to charge what they want but sometimes it dont make sence?

The cue repair guy if he is honorable accepts risk when he does the tip or any work on a cue for that matter. If it is a $.60 triangle no big deal if the guy say he doesn't like the tip. If it is a tip the repair guy has $9.00 or $10.00 invested in how is he to just replace the tip if a finicky customer decides he thinks the tip is too hard or too soft and believe me he will hold the repair guy responsible. "You should have told me it was that hard, I don't want this tip". How can you charge say $20.00 to do a tip when the tip cost you $10.00 and you now have to maybe replace it for nothing wiping out all profit. I put on Moori tips almost everyday and there is a guy in town who is the source for the tips. You get the tip and I will install it. Barring it falling off I have no further responsibility for it. I like it that way. I should add, most of the Moori tips I do are for billiard players who beat the tips to death. I want nothing to do with those tips after they are on the cue.

Back to the risk factor. When you drop off a shaft to get say a tip for $10.00 or $15.00 the repair guy accepts full responsibility for the shaft while it is in his possession. If something was to happen to it and he had to replace it, it could cost him $150.00 or more. He is giving up pretty good odds on the money just to make a few dollars and you need to appreciate that your cue is kept safe. That alone has a value to it when dealing with a reputable cue man as opposed to some fly by night guy who would say "Tough what do you want me to do, your cue got stolen"?

 

[Murray Tucker]

I ain't begrudging all cuemakers and repair guys...I am saying that I won't pay 50 bucks for a Moori for my Schon. Period. That is all. I have a guy in St. Augustine that does excellent work and I will gladly tip him an extra five bucks even for his work. I am so horrible for saying that? It is just an opinion...please try to overlook it.

Geez louise...are we all on PMS today or what? And by the way, PMS stands for Pissy Midget Syndrome.

Shorty

Quoting from your first post.

Cause cuemakers and repair guys like to rip people off...

and

Does anybody do anything in pool without trying to screw someone out of a buck these days?

That's a long way from just stating that you don't want to pay 50.00 for a tip. Pretty insulting to those of us who take pride in giving people good quality and service for their money.

 

[Shorty]

Quoting from your first post.

and


That's a long way from just stating that you don't want to pay 50.00 for a tip. Pretty insulting to those of us who take pride in giving people good quality and service for their money.

Murray,

I sincerely apologize to you for making such a broad statement that I accidently insulted you.

Again, all I am saying is make sure you get what you pay for.

Shorty

 

[Murray Tucker]

Murray,

I sincerely apologize to you for making such a broad statement that I accidently insulted you.

Again, all I am saying is make sure you get what you pay for.

Shorty

Thank you.

 

[UGOTDA7]

$50 Moori tips.

http://www.arnotq.com/pages/RWSindex1.html

My opinion is that $25 for labor (plus tip cost; obviously total cost would vary) for an expert tip job done by a professional is fair.

I learned to do my own tips years ago with limited equipment and have done hundreds of them for myself and friends. But these days I will get a professional (Rick Phillippi) with the proper equipment to do the initial install and then manage it myself from there. Maybe it is because I make more money now, but the hassle of doing it myself just isn't worth it these days. Also, forging a habitual relationship with a cue professional can be beneficial to everybody involved.

I ran into a similar thing a few years ago with cutting my grass at my old home. I paid a kid $25 every two weeks to do it. But I figured what the hell, I'll do it myself, save a few bucks and get some exercise at the same time. Suffice it to say that happened once before the kid was reinstated.

Paying for expertise is definitely worth it, but unfortunately there are also cases when the cost some are trying to get will make you shake your head. In those cases I just take my business elsewhere.

 

[merylane]

The cue repair guy if he is honorable accepts risk when he does the tip or any work on a cue for that matter. If it is a $.60 triangle no big deal if the guy say he doesn't like the tip. If it is a tip the repair guy has $9.00 or $10.00 invested in how is he to just replace the tip if a finicky customer decides he thinks the tip is too hard or too soft and believe me he will hold the repair guy responsible. "You should have told me it was that hard, I don't want this tip". How can you charge say $20.00 to do a tip when the tip cost you $10.00 and you now have to maybe replace it for nothing wiping out all profit. I put on Moori tips almost everyday and there is a guy in town who is the source for the tips. You get the tip and I will install it. Barring it falling off I have no further responsibility for it. I like it that way. I should add, most of the Moori tips I do are for billiard players who beat the tips to death. I want nothing to do with those tips after they are on the cue.

Back to the risk factor. When you drop off a shaft to get say a tip for $10.00 or $15.00 the repair guy accepts full responsibility for the shaft while it is in his possession. If something was to happen to it and he had to replace it, it could cost him $150.00 or more. He is giving up pretty good odds on the money just to make a few dollars and you need to appreciate that your cue is kept safe. That alone has a value to it when dealing with a reputable cue man as opposed to some fly by night guy who would say "Tough what do you want me to do, your cue got stolen"?

so your saying if its a cheap tip it can be replaced for free?

what about the labor cost the second time around?

oh that only aplies on expensive tips...... cornfusing.......

 

[Flex]

If a fellow who replaces tips wants to charge $50 for a Moori, and players are willing to spend that, what's the problem? If they don't want the Moori, maybe they'll get a Triangle, a very good tip, too. What'll that cost 'em? $15? $20?

If the best players plunk down their money for a Moori and it costs them $35 or $40 or whatever, I expect they know what they are doing. In any case, it's their money. If they want to spend it like that, what's it to me?

The most I ever spent on a cue tip replacement was, if memory serves, $12 for a Triangle, which went on my first cue. Later I got a Meucci, and bought a Moori medium and, with trepidation, installed it on the Meucci. After 2 or 3 more tips, I figured out how to do it perfectly, every time. Since then, I do my own tips. How long does it take me? From start to finish probably about 30 minutes. And it's ready when I need it to be ready, not when the tip guy happens to come in and do it at his leisure...

Let the other fellows make a special trip to have the tip put on, and find out the guy isn't in, for whatever reason, leave the shaft if they have the nerve, or if not, scrounge up a house cue or whatever to play with while their favorite cue gathers dust. Go back in a few days and hope the fellow is in...

Catch my drift?

Buy some cheap tips and practice putting them on junker cues. After a few, you'll be ready to do the real thing...

Good luck with it!

Flex

 

[macguy]

so your saying if its a cheap tip it can be replaced for free?

what about the labor cost the second time around?

oh that only aplies on expensive tips...... cornfusing.......

There is no labor cost and since the tip is cheap you can just replace it. If you have to replace a tip that cost you $10.00 and the original job only cost $20.00 you make nothing, you have $20.00 in the cost to you on the tips alone. If you have the right equipment labor to do a tip is like nothing, maybe 10 minutes hands on.

You know Your story about your mechanic was disturbing. You should not expect him to sell you parts for his cost, in fact if he is good and you depend on him you should over pay a little, even if it is nothing more then bringing him a six pack or a pizza or sandwich from subway but make him know you appreciate his work. I had a new roof put on one of my buildings not that long ago and I tipped the workers $100.00 a piece $600.00 total when the job was done because I was very happy with the job. Last year one of my neighbors had a tree fall through their roof during one of our hurricanes. I made a call and they came right out even before the storm had passed and had it patched up. That's the kind of service you get when you are not cheap and treat people good. When I have tires put on my car the guy always gets a $20.00 who does the work. It's the best money I spend, I always get the best service when I go anywhere because I'm not cheap. When I had a bar/pool room a few years ago my beer drivers used to come in after work they never paid for pool and always got nice Christmas checks. I could need a beer delivery on a weekend in an emergency and they would go to the warehouse and bring out a truck for me just because I treat them right.

 

[Flex]

There is no labor cost and since the tip is cheap you can just replace it. If you have to replace a tip that cost you $10.00 and the original job only cost $20.00 you make nothing, you have $20.00 in the cost to you on the tips alone. If you have the right equipment labor to do a tip is like nothing, maybe 10 minutes hands on.

You know Your story about your mechanic was disturbing. You should not expect him to sell you parts for his cost, in fact if he is good and you depend on him you should over pay a little, even if it is nothing more then bringing him a six pack or a pizza or sandwich from subway but make him know you appreciate his work. I had a new roof put on one of my buildings not that long ago and I tipped the workers $100.00 a piece $600.00 total when the job was done because I was very happy with the job. Last year one of my neighbors had a tree fall through their roof during one of our hurricanes. I made a call and they came right out even before the storm had passed and had it patched up. That's the kind of service you get when you are not cheap and treat people good. When I have tires put on my car the guy always gets a $20.00 who does the work. It's the best money I spend, I always get the best service when I go anywhere because I'm not cheap. When I had a bar/pool room a few years ago my beer drivers used to come in after work they never paid for pool and always got nice Christmas checks. I could need a beer delivery on a weekend in an emergency and they would go to the warehouse and bring out a truck for me just because I treat them right.

Great points! Treat people right and usually they'll help you out, too. Being magnanimous is the way to go.

Recently, I took a lesson from a teaching pro, who straightened out my stroke. That was all I asked him to do. It was to be a one hour lesson, but he gave me more time than that, and showed me some really cool stuff too. Why'd he do that? Because he is generous. When the time came to pay him for my lesson, I tipped him generously. He's a fellow I know I can call anytime to ask anything pool related and he'll give me the straight scoop. Is that because he was generous and I reciprocated? No, it's because he became a friend, and there's no amount of money that can buy friendship.

Thanks MacGuy for the good example.

Best,

Flex

 

[Ktown D]

well my mechanic doesnt charge more for the parts, just his cost.

and his price is always cheaper than i could buy it for, even his oil.

go figger ????

people are alowed to charge what they want but sometimes it dont make sence?

Your mechanic sounds like a dip shit and probably lives in an old trailer. I run a transmission shop and you don't want to talk about mark up in that biz. YOU AIN'T GETTIN NOTHIN AT COST. Think about it. If you pay just a little more and it is done right, that is better than paying some jackass twice to do a poor job.

BTW What the hell is cornfusing? Is that what is happening to that cobb in your butt?

 

[merylane]

There is no labor cost and since the tip is cheap you can just replace it. If you have to replace a tip that cost you $10.00 and the original job only cost $20.00 you make nothing, you have $20.00 in the cost to you on the tips alone. If you have the right equipment labor to do a tip is like nothing, maybe 10 minutes hands on.

so by your rational lobor is free..... thats news to me i always though time was money?

i guess your just charging for the tip? im sorry i must have missunderstood.

just a little fyi, ive never paid more than $5 for a moori, and never charged a cent for putting one on.

as far as your tipping goes thats a different subject.

 

[merylane]

Your mechanic sounds like a dip shit and probably lives in an old trailer. I run a transmission shop and you don't want to talk about mark up in that biz. YOU AIN'T GETTIN NOTHIN AT COST. Think about it. If you pay just a little more and it is done right, that is better than paying some jackass twice to do a poor job.

BTW What the hell is cornfusing? Is that what is happening to that cobb in your butt?

what the f&#% does the job being done right do with charging extra for the parts?

it sounds like you live in an old trailer if you can only do a good job if your making a good profit off of parts?

maybee you should be in the parts bus. then you wouldnt have to worry about doing a good job ..... only about your mark up.

cornfusing , im sorry it was just a little humor sorry .

 

[sliprock]

I charge $25 to install Moori's. I think that's more than a fair price. What I get a kick out of is the player that whines about the price of a Moori, then they go out and pay $1500 for a simple Southwest that has what I'm guessing to be about $50 bucks in material (if that) and probably way less than 20 hours labor invested in building the cue...I price a tip for $25 bucks and I get looked at like I'm some kind of child molestor, but hand the guy a Southwest and price it to him for $1500 and he's willing to pimp out his girlfriend to make a deal..

 

[macguy]

There is no labor cost and since the tip is cheap you can just replace it. If you have to replace a tip that cost you $10.00 and the original job only cost $20.00 you make nothing, you have $20.00 in the cost to you on the tips alone. If you have the right equipment labor to do a tip is like nothing, maybe 10 minutes hands on.

so by your rational lobor is free..... thats news to me i always though time was money?

i guess your just charging for the tip? im sorry i must have missunderstood.

just a little fyi, ive never paid more than $5 for a moori, and never charged a cent for putting one on.

as far as your tipping goes thats a different subject.

I don't know any way to make it any more clear, this is not an IQ test. Just forget it.

 

[lukeinva]

I charge $25 to install Moori's. I think that's more than a fair price. What I get a kick out of is the player that whines about the price of a Moori, then they go out and pay $1500 for a simple Southwest that has what I'm guessing to be about $50 bucks in material (if that) and probably way less than 20 hours labor invested in building the cue...I price a tip for $25 bucks and I get looked at like I'm some kind of child molestor, but hand the guy a Southwest and price it to him for $1500 and he's willing to pimp out his girlfriend to make a deal..

Yeah thats funny I dont cur who you are dats funny right deeeer!!!

 

[Secaucus Fats]

TAP TAP TAP !!!

I started to reply to Shorty's post, but it pissed me off so much I decided I'd better not! If he ever asks me to put on one of his tips, I'll glue it to his forehead!


just more hot air!

Sherm

I'm with Mike and Sherm. I don't know of any cuemakers or repair guys operating as not for profits. Are there some bad apples out there? Yes, but painting everyone with the same brush is unfair.

Mike and Sherm are both good stand-up guys and both make some jam-up cues and perform excellent repairs. Should they, or any of the other talented and hardworking cuemakers, forego making a profit for their labor and investment in materials and equipment? I don't think so.

BTW Sherm you've go to upgrade the pic quality on your website. The current pics don't do justice to your cues.

 

[DRW]

moori tips

Moori tips are great tips and I play with one myself, but the story on the tip from the very beginning of its existance is a sham job dreamed up by someone in the field of cuemaking or cue repair. Guido tried to hand me one across the counter in 1995 for $35. No thank you! Then the story about him being on his death bed and not revealing his process, a ploy to raise prices if you wanted to. I spent 12 days in Japan in poolrooms everyday with a fluent japanese speaking soldier and nobody knew who or what the fuck I was talking about. I think someone should come up with Mr Moorii's real identity. Billy Stroud or whoever came up with this great money making scheme should just give it up!

 

[karambolista]

Sorry bout that, I did'nt mean to question how much people charge for installation of tips. I was just looking around the net for layered tips and found that Atlas Billiard Supplies had the cheapest price for mooris, and I just wanted to know if they were genuine or knock-offs. I usually install my own tip cause I feel good being able to fix my own cue and I usually dont have the budget to have it done by somebody else.

A few weeks ago, my bestfriend (we were in a poolhal) ask me if he can have a look at my shaft, and then all of a sudden he approached the guy who fixes cues in the PH and ask how much for the installation of a moori tip, it was $35 (good price cause the guy was really good). So, my friend said that he was going to pay for it and I told him that that was too much (at least from my perspective, being jobless and all) to pay for a tip and besides there was a long line of shafts to be repaired, so I was able to talk him out of it.


Anyways....

Back to some of my questions - What's the difference between Soft, Medium, and Quick Mooris?

 

[Purdman]

$50 for a tip?

I will never understand why someone would spend $1,000 to $25,000 for a cue and bitch about a $50 tip. I have had two Morri tips put on my cue at $50 ea. After that, I went out and bought a lathe and learned how to do cue repair. I put on Morri's for $35. Tip cost me $10. Talisman, $25. Triangle or LePeo, $15. Some people bitch about it. I tell them to take their cue someplace else. I do this for a hobby and hope to be able to make some extra cash when I retire. That's my plan, you got a better one?
Purdman

PS: IF you ain't got a job, you don't belong in a pool hall. You belong in the unemployment line looking for a job unless your mommy or daddy are taking care of you!!!!!!!

 

[Michael Webb]

I'm with Mike and Sherm. I don't know of any cuemakers or repair guys operating as not for profits. Are there some bad apples out there? Yes, but painting everyone with the same brush is unfair.

Mike and Sherm are both good stand-up guys and both make some jam-up cues and perform excellent repairs. Should they, or any of the other talented and hardworking cuemakers, forego making a profit for their labor and investment in materials and equipment? I don't think so.

BTW Sherm you've go to upgrade the pic quality on your website. The current pics don't do justice to your cues.

Thank you, I know most people understand.