Best Book To Look Up 14:1 Rules. Such As (1) A Ball Hangs In Pocket Shooter Sets Down, Next Shooter Gets Up , Ball Falls In . Does It Get Spotted At Pocket Or On The Spot ? (2) Opening Player Fails To Make 2 Balls Plus Cue Ball Hit Rail 2 Point Penalty. If Incoming Player Chooses To Shoot Instead Of Having Player (1) Rebreak Does Player (1) Only Lose 1 Point. Just Some Questions That Came Up Tonight. I Don't Have Anything In Black And White To Save Arguments. Thanks For Any Input.
14:1 Rules
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1/ if bal fallsbefore next player touches the cb, previous player can continue his run and no ball is respoted
2/ 2 points penalty no matter what the other player chooses.
BUT ; im horrible with rulezs, but this is what my (drunk) brain would come up
2/ 2 points penalty no matter what the other player chooses.
BUT ; im horrible with rulezs, but this is what my (drunk) brain would come up
If you give up the table (and sitting down certainly constitutes that), any ball that falls subsequently is replaced to where it was before it fell and the inning belongs to your opponent.
The two point penalty applicable to a break not meeting the defined requirements is assessed whether opponent accepts the position or not.
Sticking with the rules theme, the rule that seems to vary the most these days is the third consecutive foul rule. I've seen each of:
a) minus 16, rerack, and player who fouled must break with opening break rules in effect
b) minus 16, opponent may accept resulting position or demand a rerack followed by an opening break
c) minus 32, rerack, and player who fouled must break with opening break rules in effect
At the 2000 BCA 14.1 championships, version "a" of the rule was in effect.
The two point penalty applicable to a break not meeting the defined requirements is assessed whether opponent accepts the position or not.
Sticking with the rules theme, the rule that seems to vary the most these days is the third consecutive foul rule. I've seen each of:
a) minus 16, rerack, and player who fouled must break with opening break rules in effect
b) minus 16, opponent may accept resulting position or demand a rerack followed by an opening break
c) minus 32, rerack, and player who fouled must break with opening break rules in effect
At the 2000 BCA 14.1 championships, version "a" of the rule was in effect.
sjm said:
In tournaments I have played, b) has been the rule. This also seems logical, since with a), the fouling player may actually have an advantage if there is an open table or dead combination available.
sjm said:
Sorry, I was not clear enough. I know that the fouling player would have to break.
What I meant was that the fouling player may then make a perfect opening shot, leaving a safety for the other one. If the other player had the option to play the table as it is, - perhaps there are a few open balls, or perhaps he has a dead-on combination - he should have the option to choose, that is why rule b) in my opinion is better.
No big deal though.
pooladdict said:
Quite right, it is possible that the player who fouls will beat opponent to the next shot after executing a good opening break after the rerack. That's why it has always been the case that a top player will sometimes consider an intentional third foul when the mandatory rerack is in effect.
Go to the BCA website (www.bca-pool.com), they have the World Standardized Rules there and its easy to print them out. Rule 3.31 of the General Rules and Rule 6.6 of the 14.1 Rules cover your questions.
The rules, so far as I know, have never said anything about whether a player was sitting or standing. If a ball hanging on the brink falls before 5 seconds of hanging, it is considered pocketed whether the player has left the table or not.BANKONIT said:
Again: whether the player has left the table is irrelevant.
If you see a ball hanging, and there is no referee, it is best to start counting out loud.
It's best to look at the rules on the BCA web site.BANKONIT said:
What happens when a ball on the brink falls after 5 seconds depends on whether it has an effect on the new shot in progress. Usually, the fact that it fell is ignored, and it is placed back. If it had an effect on the shot in progress, the shot should be be replayed.