$1500 for the new round of qualifiers!

[onepocketchump]

KT can't advertise a product in an infomercial due to his settlement with the US government. I'm not sure of advertising in thirty second or one minute spots. However what KT did was an end-around by doing an infomercial about a book hawking his products. No question that he violates the agreement he made with the fed's but because it is a book the fed's are letting it slide rather than get in a first amendment battle.

Is a book a product? Walk out of a store without paying for one claiming it is not a product and see how far you get.

Hu

Well the FTC has admitted that they cannot and willnot infringe on Kevin Trudeau's First Ammendment rights to free speech. What Kevin Trudeau is doing is screwing the federal government that screwed him. There are literally hundreds of products offered for sale on TV and the INternet that cannot and do not live up to the claims made. You don't see the FTC banning them.

KT has every right to express his opinions through a book. Just as some Nazi idiot has a right to espouse his twisted beliefs. Yes, a book is a product but it is not and cannot be included in the FTC's ban on advertising. Why doesn't the FTC ban Pat Robertson or Benny Hinn? There is no scientific evidence that Jesus saves, heals or otherwise has any real effect on someone's life. Yet that doens't stop these charlatans from claiming that a belief in their God is all one needs to survive, along with sizable and regular donations to their organizations.

The only way that someone's first ammendment rights can be curtailed is when they incite violence. In that case they are asking others to infringe on the consititutional rights of others and this is the only thing the Supreme Court has found to be a reason to stop someone from speaking out. Otherwise each of us is free to to speak our minds about any subject we wish to. If I trample on someone else's reputation then I can be sued by that person for defamation or libel but that is a civil matter between legal persons.

Kevin is well within his rights and is excercising them.

John

 

[ShootingArts]

Not Really

John,

Not that I care one way or another but KT is not well within his rights. Actually he is out on a limb because he signed a legal document that he would not air any more infomercials about any product. He has every right to write a book, what rights he has to market it using an infomercial is very much in question.

So far the fed's have stayed away from the book. However that is no guarantee that they always will. The tobacco companies can make all of the cigarettes they want to too but they are very limited in how they can market them due to agreements they reached with the federal government, very much like the one KT agreed to.

Hu



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Well the FTC has admitted that they cannot and willnot infringe on Kevin Trudeau's First Ammendment rights to free speech. What Kevin Trudeau is doing is screwing the federal government that screwed him. There are literally hundreds of products offered for sale on TV and the INternet that cannot and do not live up to the claims made. You don't see the FTC banning them.

KT has every right to express his opinions through a book. Just as some Nazi idiot has a right to espouse his twisted beliefs. Yes, a book is a product but it is not and cannot be included in the FTC's ban on advertising. Why doesn't the FTC ban Pat Robertson or Benny Hinn? There is no scientific evidence that Jesus saves, heals or otherwise has any real effect on someone's life. Yet that doens't stop these charlatans from claiming that a belief in their God is all one needs to survive, along with sizable and regular donations to their organizations.

The only way that someone's first ammendment rights can be curtailed is when they incite violence. In that case they are asking others to infringe on the consititutional rights of others and this is the only thing the Supreme Court has found to be a reason to stop someone from speaking out. Otherwise each of us is free to to speak our minds about any subject we wish to. If I trample on someone else's reputation then I can be sued by that person for defamation or libel but that is a civil matter between legal persons.

Kevin is well within his rights and is excercising them.

John

 

[jjinfla]

I went over some notes that I had and this is what I found:

12/29/05 Deno announced Qualifying Tournaments for 8 openings for the 2006 tour card. later changed to 10 openings. Entry was $2,000.

2/7/06 The 2006 Schedule was announced. Prize money was listed but no mention of cost to enter a qualifier.

3/23/06 IPT Qualification Tournaments announced. They listed the three tournaments in 2006 that will be having qualifying tournaments. No mention was made of the cost to enter.

3/30/06 IPT North American 8-Ball Open Championship Qualifiers Announced. They specifically refer to only this tournament and announce that entry will be $1,000 with also another level of $500 for half the prize money. And they specify what you will receive if you enter at the $500 level. This announcement only refers to this one tournament. There is no mention of the other two qualifying tournament.

Then recently they announced the qualifiers for the World Open Tournament that will be held in September. It is on their website. The entry fee for these qualifiers is set at $1,500 and $750.

As far as I can see they most likely decided since the prize money is one and a half greater in this tournament than the previous tournament they raised the cost of entry commensurately.

I think all the confusion arose from the fact that in explaining the qualifiers in the North American Open Tournament they kept refering to qualifiers and people jumped to the conclusion that they meant any and all qualifiers from now on when in fact they were specifically referring to the North American Open tournament.

And then keep in mind that after those 25 qualifiers are completed they still will have 100 more qualifiers for the 2007 IPT Tour Card Qualification Tournament that will be held in December. As far as I know there has been no announcement as to what the entry fee will be for that tournament.

So you see Timberly, my love, the IPT was not lying as some are apt to say. The plain truth is that either people did not read the press releases that Deno put out, or else they did not understand what they did read.

Jake

 

[Jimmy M.]

My point is that people who have not accomplished anything in life are quick to point out shortcomings in other people.

Not all accomplishments end in financial gain. Despite what KT says, it's ridiculous to think that someone must be a millionaire themselves to have an opinion that differs from KT's.

 

[jjinfla]

Not all accomplishments end in financial gain. Despite what KT says, it's ridiculous to think that someone must be a millionaire themselves to have an opinion that differs from KT's.

Very True. I'm surprised it took this long for someone to state the obvious.

There are many, many great people who care less about financial gains or rewards.

They are called saints. And soldiers fighting overseas so that we can freely move about the country say stupid things on a computer.

And yes, the jails are filled with many very rich people.

Jake

 

[Timberly]

I
So you see Timberly, my love, the IPT was not lying as some are apt to say. The plain truth is that either people did not read the press releases that Deno put out, or else they did not understand what they did read.

Jake

LOL, I never said they were lying. I simply stated that I wish they would make a decision and stick with it.

This was all I said about the situation...

I've said it before and I'll say it again... I want it to succeed... I'm all for the IPT, but they need to get their sh!t straight, make a decision, and stick with it.

 

[memikey]

....... The plain truth is that either people did not read the press releases that Deno put out, or else they did not understand what they did read.

Jake

Your "notes" and Deno's press releases are interesting but irrelevant.

The "plain truth" is in fact that The World Open qualifying entry fee was crystal clearly advertised on the IPT website for several weeks as being US$1,000.Of course the only way anyone could prove that to you now would be if they had printed the relevant page.

Lots of people saw it,I know I did cos I mapped out a budget for sponsorship of certain players based on what was in the website....and I am not prone to mass hallucination,especially when it concerns money.The fee was shown at the bottom of the blurb about The World Open in exactly the same page lay out position as the fee was shown under the blurb for the North American Open.

Furthermore,I am told,though I have not seen it myself,that IPT's own advert in Biliards Digest shows the fee as US$1,000,presumably because the issue was printed before they changed the fee to US$ 1500.......no doubt you'll now explain that away as a coincidental typo or another case of "not understanding what we read".

Not many of us are even moaning too much about the actual increase......but your erroneous and somewhat condescending inference that we're all too stupid to understand what we have read certainly hits a nerve.

 

[TheOne]

Your "notes" and Deno's press releases are interesting but irrelevant.

The "plain truth" is in fact that The World Open qualifying entry fee was crystal clearly advertised on the IPT website for several weeks as being US$1,000.Of course the only way anyone could prove that to you now would be if they had printed the relevant page.

Lots of people saw it,I know I did cos I mapped out a budget for sponsorship of certain players based on what was in the website....and I am not prone to mass hallucination,especially when it concerns money.The fee was shown at the bottom of the blurb about The World Open in exactly the same page lay out position as the fee was shown under the blurb for the North American Open.

Furthermore,I am told,though I have not seen it myself,that IPT's own advert in Biliards Digest shows the fee as US$1,000,presumably because the issue was printed before they changed the fee to US$ 1500.......no doubt you'll now explain that away as a coincidental typo or another case of "not understanding what we read".

Not many of us are even moaning too much about the actual increase......but your erroneous and somewhat condescending inference that we're all too stupid to understand what we have read certainly hits a nerve.

Excellent post, you know when I started the thread about the price being changed I was quite shocked to see quite a few people actually trying to deny that the price had been increased? As you rightly said it was on the website for ages, in fact its always been advertised as $1000 going back to day one of the IPT, I'm pretty sure KT also confirms it in his audio about the new qualifiers. It's amazing the lengths people will go to to try to defend their position, I just don't understand it?

Then we have our Jake, days later after it has even been seen in print still denying it lol, he's a card!

 

[ironman]

Excellent post, you know when I started the thread about the price being changed I was quite shocked to see quite a few people actually trying to deny that the price had been increased? As you rightly said it was on the website for ages, in fact its always been advertised as $1000 going back to day one of the IPT, I'm pretty sure KT also confirms it in his audio about the new qualifiers. It's amazing the lengths people will go to to try to defend their position, I just don't understand it?

Then we have our Jake, days later after it has even been seen in print still denying it lol, he's a card!

Buying ans selling money causes lots of confusion.

 

[Gabber]

Well the FTC has admitted that they cannot and willnot infringe on Kevin Trudeau's First Ammendment rights to free speech. What Kevin Trudeau is doing is screwing the federal government that screwed him. There are literally hundreds of products offered for sale on TV and the INternet that cannot and do not live up to the claims made. You don't see the FTC banning them.

So what you are saying is he is just as bad as all the other snake-oil salesmen on tv shopping! Glad to hear you admit it.
Not only was KT making claims that he couldn't back up- he couldn't even prove that his 'Japenese Coral' [ that was a cure for cancer to constipation, whatever!], even came from Japan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point you make ,

You don't see the FTC banning them.

actually confirms what kind of a guy KT really is- the only person to get banned from TV in the US!

Draw your own conclusions, these are the facts.
Gabber

 

[pooltchr]

So what you are saying is he is just as bad as all the other snake-oil salesmen on tv shopping! Glad to hear you admit it.
Not only was KT making claims that he couldn't back up- he couldn't even prove that his 'Japenese Coral' [ that was a cure for cancer to constipation, whatever!], even came from Japan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point you make , actually confirms what kind of a guy KT really is- the only person to get banned from TV in the US!

Draw your own conclusions, these are the facts.
Gabber

If a criminal background is reason enough to come out against the IPT, how has support remained so strong for the US Open???
Steve

 

[ScottW]

If a criminal background is reason enough to come out against the IPT, how has support remained so strong for the US Open???
Steve

Links? Facts? Don't be lazy, this is the internet, it's easy.

Besides, the US Open (I'm assuming you're talking golf here) has been around for decades, and has more than one main person behind it.

 

[Timberly]

Links? Facts? Don't be lazy, this is the internet, it's easy.

Besides, the US Open (I'm assuming you're talking golf here) has been around for decades, and has more than one main person behind it.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he's talking about the US Open for pool in Chesapeake, VA..... This tourney has been promoted by the same individual (with a criminal background) for something like 30 yrs... give or take a yr or two...

 

[ScottW]

Actually, I'm pretty sure he's talking about the US Open for pool in Chesapeake, VA..... This tourney has been promoted by the same individual (with a criminal background) for something like 30 yrs... give or take a yr or two...

Ah, gotcha.

 

[onepocketchump]

So what you are saying is he is just as bad as all the other snake-oil salesmen on tv shopping! Glad to hear you admit it.
Not only was KT making claims that he couldn't back up- he couldn't even prove that his 'Japenese Coral' [ that was a cure for cancer to constipation, whatever!], even came from Japan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point you make , actually confirms what kind of a guy KT really is- the only person to get banned from TV in the US!

Draw your own conclusions, these are the facts.
Gabber

Not at all. I am saying that whether or not KT could back up the claims he made you don't see any of the other things sold on TV being held to the same standards.

I guess you think it's impossible that someone could be railroaded by the government at the whim of powerful special-intrest groups. I guess you think it's impossible that your goverment could trample on the rights of any indivdual? If so then you are surely living in a fantasy world.

You don't know the "facts" Gabber. You only think you know something because of what you have read on the internet. You didn't do any investigating of your own, you didn't do any testing, you don't know the scope and accuracy of the testing that was done, nor who did it and what their interests are. You don't know what really went down any more than I do. The FTC wouldn't give a rat's ass about Kevin Trudeau unless he became a thorn in some powerful corporation's side and then is the only time that they would pursue him. You can bet your farm that this is closer to the "facts" than any fairy tale you have read so far.

Goverment agencies are tools of the connected and not servants of the people.

Regardless of what you think about Kevin Trudeau personally he has already put more money into this sport than anyone you can name. And that sir is an undeniable fact.

John