1970 9 ball rules

garczar said:
In '78-80ish we played sort of a 'speedup' version: the only ball that spotted was ball before the 9b and if balls were in the kitchen on a scratch they all went down and you shot the lowest ball outside kitchen.
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That was basically the precursor to TX Express. I remember people were matching up all three ways (or with additional regional caveats) for a while until two-shot gently faded away. I think I vaguely remember playing all balls spot and BIH in the kitchen but not two-shot for a while?
 
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terrible rule book.

says if you cant hit the ball you can push out. you can push out anytime you want from anyplace you are.

and any two fouls in a row results in ball in hand. also called two foul ball in hand. which says it all.

only thing that never came up is if you have cue ball in hand behind the line, can you push out to a spot back wards without going forward first past the line.
 
sjm said:
I grew up playing two shot shootout. More or less what Maha posted, but in New York, we spotted everything that went in illegally. If you made four balls on the break and scratched, all four of them would spot, at least on the nine footers.

In most cases, the pros switched to Texas Express in 1983, and when the pros switched, so did I, but in the world of action, shootout was still around for about five more years. I never saw it played after 1990.
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In Washington the only balls that were spotted after a scratch were "2 before the money". So if you scratched on the 6 ball it stayed down, and you had to put the cue ball behind the head spot and shoot at the 7 ball. If the 7 ball was behind the line it got spotted. And if you made the 7 or 8 ball and scratched it also got spotted. There was never ball in hand anywhere on the table, which put a premium on your ability to make spot shots.

I generally liked everything about the rule, except that in some areas when after a scratch on the break, ALL balls that fell got spotted, along with the 1 ball if it came to rest behind the head spot. This never seemed right to me, as it basically took the penalty out of the scratch whenever more than one ball was spotted. Of course the incoming player could then push out, rather than just whale at the balls lined up on the spot.
 
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Taxi said:
In Washington the only balls that were spotted after a scratch were "2 before the money". So if you scratched on the 6 ball it stayed down, and you had to put the cue ball behind the head spot and shoot at the 7 ball. If the 7 ball was behind the line it got spotted. And if you made the 7 or 8 ball and scratched it also got spotted. There was never ball in hand anywhere on the table, which put a premium on your ability to make spot shots.

I generally liked everything about the rule, except that in some areas when after a scratch on the break, ALL balls that fell got spotted, along with the 1 ball if it came to rest behind the head spot. This never seemed right to me, as it basically took the penalty out of the scratch whenever more than one ball was spotted. Of course the incoming player could then push out, rather than just whale at the balls lined up on the spot.
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Washington state I presume. That sounds like some crap they'd up there. hahaha -- Just kidding.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
@Twocylndr off topic, but does that old rule book go by the center of the ball or edge of the ball for determining in/out of the kitchen? (could be for any game in it...)
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The position of the ball has always been decided by its center in the official rules. Some say "base of ball", but then you get into arguments about how large the contact patch is.

I think it's only Derby City that does whole ball for nine ball. Also, they allow multiple hits on a close ball as long as you have jacked up.
 
Bob Jewett said:
The position of the ball has always been decided by its center in the official rules. Some say "base of ball", but then you get into arguments about how large the contact patch is.

I think it's only Derby City that does whole ball for nine ball. Also, they allow multiple hits on a close ball as long as you have jacked up.
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To this day, I've never been to a local event that did NOT go by the edge of the ball. Was it really never in any rulebook?
 
People posting about balls staying down on a scratch or the lowest ball behind the line going down on a scratch and just the ball before the nine spotting up…that’s how bar table ring games were played.

On 9 footers everything spotted up on a scratch. Sometimes there was strategy in that.
 
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