1981 Heubler custom shop
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There are several ways to value something like this Huebler cue. I see a range here now from somewhere around $800 to somewhere around 1600. That is a fairly large differential. I think that the $800 to $1000 is what one would expect to get almost immediately on a for sale sign for this cue and case.
Waiting for the "right guy" at $1400 or so sometimes can take months to years- sometimes. I personally think that market value is what an item would sell for "today" if put in a general well advertised auction setting or specific buyer related selling venue. The "market" is the present general buying audience for any item, it is not what 1 out of 100 possible interested buyers would pay today for an item.
So what an item's actual cost was for the seller, what their profit needs dictate, what their selling time horizon dictates are usually the biggest factors in determining how to price an item for sale - given a wide range of possible sale outcomes. Do you want a relatively quick sale, or are you willing to wait for that 'right guy", or do you somehow have access to a "right guy" market for a particular item to do specific outreach on a for sale item.
Top tier prices on any item are usually the result of having that perfect buyer available just at the right moment for the seller, or having access to that perfect buyer through years of networking in a specific market.
Your choice if you decide to sell, or you may have received offers already outside the "normal" range from a "right buyer" or someone who can flip it to a "right buyer" quickly.
Waiting for the "right guy" at $1400 or so sometimes can take months to years- sometimes. I personally think that market value is what an item would sell for "today" if put in a general well advertised auction setting or specific buyer related selling venue. The "market" is the present general buying audience for any item, it is not what 1 out of 100 possible interested buyers would pay today for an item.
So what an item's actual cost was for the seller, what their profit needs dictate, what their selling time horizon dictates are usually the biggest factors in determining how to price an item for sale - given a wide range of possible sale outcomes. Do you want a relatively quick sale, or are you willing to wait for that 'right guy", or do you somehow have access to a "right guy" market for a particular item to do specific outreach on a for sale item.
Top tier prices on any item are usually the result of having that perfect buyer available just at the right moment for the seller, or having access to that perfect buyer through years of networking in a specific market.
Your choice if you decide to sell, or you may have received offers already outside the "normal" range from a "right buyer" or someone who can flip it to a "right buyer" quickly.
Yes it is
If he went to FB, there is a Huebler fan page and a very active set of collector pages. He would sell the cue in less than half an hour at the high end of the spectrum, What you should ask is why? Well those that know, know its an early custom shop unit, they would also know that is is one of the more desirable designs. The apparent condition, Huebler case, its a strong cue and case combo for any Huebler collector which IMHO is somewhere around 15-20 individuals. Which is why, he would get a good price.
As far as the discussion on the white stuff, the ivory was edge cut in that one specific photo. You are actually seeing the Shreger lines, IMHO
J. Van
I was talking general cue market - not just referring to high end Huebler collectors. If there is a specific Huebler dedicated collector site; then, of course there may be immediate buyers for a higher end Huebler cue - no question. I have no disagreement with you on that. However in the general cue buying market- not many people willing to spend $1400 on a Huebler.
A few years ago I bought a mint condition Huebler H-A on Facebook- this cue shown here is really not much more fancy than that cue at all- just a bit in the butt sleeve inlay pattern. I paid $650 for it and every Huebler collector had a shot at it too. Maybe this one shown here is worth more than double that to a very specific Huebler collector who wants this cue- I don't doubt it- but that person does not represent a general cue market interest in Huebler cues- I have the money and like the cue a lot- and I like Huebler a lot- but I would not personally give more than $900 or so for the package - so , yes , agreed this is a cue for the most dedicated Huebler collectors at the $1400 price IMO as well.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the Blue Ivory was a somewhat rare cue as opposed to this being more of a production cue?
I don't know much about Huebler's Custom shop though, so I could be way off base?
I don't know the actual numbers, but I've come across more of the Mammoth cues than the Ivory Queens. It seems the Custom Shop cues aren't coming up as much anymore. The pices fluctuate, but I don't any of them under1,000, unless they are in pretty rough shape . If i was buying I would try to get the OP's cue, it looks to be in great shape.
Roger that. I'm a huge fan of the Blue Mammoth and want to own one some day and that's how I know they rarely come up, it does seem like other custom shop cues come up quite a bit. But as I said, I don't really know much about them.
And yeah, the OP's cue is in excellent condition and if I was collector it would be one I would like to buy as well.
The blue mammoth, is also a popular custom shop model. But the kins, queens, and the East Coast IMHO seem to be the most sought after. The queen, has one of my favorite butt sleeve designs, a version also seen on a Joss West catalog cue. Model 17 below.
J.Van
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That price for an HA is what I would expect, but the difference is that this is a Custom Shop cue and they always get a premium. I have a HA with 2 shafts and it plays as good as anything, it has a thin butt (ordered that way) that I feels makes it a better player. No matter how they play, OP's cue would sell for at least 2 times what a HA would.
I think the Kings/Queens and similar others are popular because that's what people generally seem to like (similar to some of Meucci's old gambling themed ones) but the Blue Mammoth is kind of an oddball and it probably has more of a cult following so less people are willing to sell them when they acquire them, I know if I ever buy one I would never sell it.
It an old thread by Manwon, but a lot of nice cues here.
Here are some Collectible Huebler Cues
The following cues are from a friends collection, they all came out of Paul Hueblers Custom Shop. My Favorite!!!!!!!!! Enjoy more to follow
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I sent you a PM regarding price and the possibility of buying the cue. Thanks
After further investigation and
Conversation with Heubler collectors I have decided to keep
It for a while. Had a offer from
A guy on the Heubler Facebook
Fan page for 2500…probably should have taken it but it’s a great
Cue beautiful hit and in great shape. Thanks for the response from all you guys!
Conversation with Heubler collectors I have decided to keep
It for a while. Had a offer from
A guy on the Heubler Facebook
Fan page for 2500…probably should have taken it but it’s a great
Cue beautiful hit and in great shape. Thanks for the response from all you guys!
As Kevin O'Leary of Shark Tank fame is fond of saying, I forbid you to refuse that offer. The offer is already way more than it is worth, plus the actual value of the cue is likely to decline in the not too distant future never to recover. The market of buyers for this cue at high collectible prices is mostly old guys who are seeking relics from their past sentimental days and those guys are now starting to die off. Tomorrow could be the day that the guy who made you that offer croaks,
Wow. That was a great offer. It had to be hard to turn that one down.
That is what ivory looks like when a slice is taken straight across the tusk.
$2500 a few years ago was high for a cue. Now just about all cues that are at all collectible are that much or more. Many cue makers other than the few high end cues such as Szamboti, Searing, Tad, JW, BB, etc are on that list. Scruggs low end cues now start about $2500 and many others that were not that long ago $1500 to $2K. Production Huebler cues probably will never be worth a lot. But the Customs are unique and as collectible to some as these other Balabushka look alikes. Huebler Custom cues I sold ten years ago should now sell for twice as much. They rarely surface like the 100s of Scruggs etc. and are more collectible in my opinion. My best cue to play with ever was a Cochran, who made Scruggs cues. After that on my list is a few Hueblers. The Customs do not play different, just look fancier.