1992 ebony nose SW cue for sale - new cue

ribdoner said:
YES--Nice plain maple "players" cues made after Jerry's unfortunate death,which,IMHO, are every bit the cue as the ones produced before his passing. The cue being sold is an example cue. I owned it and sold it in EXC,original condition. Tommy Kennedy played with it for some time. Based on what the cue sold for and the amt spent for refinish,rewrap,shafts,etc. the current owner might be losing $ at his asking price. If I didn't have 3 high $ cues coming in the next few weeks I'd buy it back!!:)
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OOOOPS-Meant to say EXCELLENT cue--not example cue. ( Got to get me a sexsatary if I can't improve my communication skills):confused:
 
Southwest cues are highly sought after and bring top dollar for a reason. I don't think the asking price for this cue is out of line, even with the new shafts. Everyone who has replied has had a valid point of view, IMHO, except for the $1500 remark...better be watchful for those fake "pre-date Jerry Franklin" cues when folks start showing you those.

I was amazed by the LACK of highly computerized equipment and few number of personnel when I first visited Laurie in Las Vegas...it is all hand work and a labor of love If you haven't actually visited them and spoke with Laurie and the guys in the shop, you won't understand. The passion that they have to maintain the quality product and the legacy of Jerry Franklin is what guarantees that the cues will remain collectibles, and fabulous players, in the future.

Laurie could have moved to a bigger location, bought computers and CNCs, pumped up production, and probably made a hell of a lot more money for herself and the company had she done so, but the true SW cue would have died.....anyone remember back when Dale Perry cues were highly sought out and collectible? Unfortunately, I understand Dale's perspective....it is all about the bottom line. Laurie and guys, thanks for keeping things as you have.
 
I don't think it is good etiquette to comment (negatively or even positively) on a sellers asking price in their B/S/T thread. It will either sell or it won't.
 
shinobi said:
I don't think it is good etiquette to comment (negatively or even positively) on a sellers asking price in their B/S/T thread. It will either sell or it won't.
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Shinobi, I agree with you, hence my replies to the negative publicity. Good luck with the sale, Paul. Sean
 
classiccues said:
No. In the case of SW they use the same tapers that Jerry used. AND its still the same company. I think if the shafts were made by ANOTHER cuemaker, you could make the argument about value. Similar situation with Barry Szamboti. If he makes shafts for a Gus, there is no significant value reduction, IMHO. Of course that opinion varies collector to collector.

Joe
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I think the difference between SW and Szambotis is South West Custom Cues represents a group of people, including Mickey, Laurie, Jerry, and others. Gus made all his cues by himself. If a shaft was made by Barry Szamboti, it's a Barry's shaft. If a shaft was made by South West Cues, it's a South West shaft regardless who made it.
 
poolchady said:
I think the difference between SW and Szambotis is South West Custom Cues represents a group of people, including Mickey, Laurie, Jerry, and others. Gus made all his cues by himself. If a shaft was made by Barry Szamboti, it's a Barry's shaft. If a shaft was made by South West Cues, it's a South West shaft regardless who made it.
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I think you have to be careful with the Gus all by himself line. It has come straight from the horses mouth that Barrys helped in the shop. So how much leeway would you give? It's surely a Barry shaft, but its made exactly to Szamboti standards. Sometimes he even uses Gus' select woods. IMHO its better to have a Barry Szamboti built shaft on a Szamboti, than any other cuemakers shaft. Even reselling it, you will get better value. Which is the point I was making.

Joe
 
ribdoner said:
YES--Nice plain maple "players" cues made after Jerry's unfortunate death,which,IMHO, are every bit the cue as the ones produced before his passing. The cue being sold is an example cue. I owned it and sold it in EXC,original condition. Tommy Kennedy played with it for some time. Based on what the cue sold for and the amt spent for refinish,rewrap,shafts,etc. the current owner might be losing $ at his asking price. If I didn't have 3 high $ cues coming in the next few weeks I'd buy it back!!:)
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I already regretted selling it. :mad:
One this is for sure, this cue hits a ton.:D
 
shinobi said:
I don't think it is good etiquette to comment (negatively or even positively) on a sellers asking price in their B/S/T thread. It will either sell or it won't.
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It's not about good or bad etiquette. It's about opinions and DIFFERANCES of opinions. Knowledge is often the by product of divergent opinions. Sellers can control people posting opinions,or questions, on EBAY. :)
 
ribdoner said:
It's not about good or bad etiquette. It's about opinions and DIFFERANCES of opinions. Knowledge is often the by product of divergent opinions. Sellers can control people posting opinions,or questions, on EBAY. :)
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Everyone has their opinions. Etiquette dictates when and where it is a good idea to share those opinions. It's a fine line to walk :)
 
ribdoner said:
It's not about good or bad etiquette. It's about opinions and DIFFERANCES of opinions. Knowledge is often the by product of divergent opinions. Sellers can control people posting opinions,or questions, on EBAY. :)
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Yo Adam my friend,

I know I shouldn't ask but I just can't help. Are you ready to part with your SW babe 93-301 :D ?
 
classiccues said:
I think you have to be careful with the Gus all by himself line. It has come straight from the horses mouth that Barrys helped in the shop. So how much leeway would you give? It's surely a Barry shaft, but its made exactly to Szamboti standards. Sometimes he even uses Gus' select woods. IMHO its better to have a Barry Szamboti built shaft on a Szamboti, than any other cuemakers shaft. Even reselling it, you will get better value. Which is the point I was making.

Joe
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I think only BARRY knows what he did and didn't do in his dad's shop. Barry,as of now, would be my ONLY choice to make a shaft for one of his dad's cues. If BARRY was unable to make a shaft(s) I would solicit Dennis. As stated above resale value would be the primary factor. :)
 
classiccues said:
I think you have to be careful with the Gus all by himself line. It has come straight from the horses mouth that Barrys helped in the shop. So how much leeway would you give? It's surely a Barry shaft, but its made exactly to Szamboti standards. Sometimes he even uses Gus' select woods. IMHO its better to have a Barry Szamboti built shaft on a Szamboti, than any other cuemakers shaft. Even reselling it, you will get better value. Which is the point I was making.

Joe
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Not only did Barry help, he told me his mom mitered the veneers. These women are damn good cue makers, that's all I can say.

Chris
 
shinobi said:
Everyone has their opinions. Etiquette dictates when and where it is a good idea to share those opinions. It's a fine line to walk :)
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And,being a cue-pimp of high long term standing, I will continue to share opinions while walking the fine line. :)
 
classiccues said:
I think you have to be careful with the Gus all by himself line. It has come straight from the horses mouth that Barrys helped in the shop. So how much leeway would you give? It's surely a Barry shaft, but its made exactly to Szamboti standards. Sometimes he even uses Gus' select woods. IMHO its better to have a Barry Szamboti built shaft on a Szamboti, than any other cuemakers shaft. Even reselling it, you will get better value. Which is the point I was making.
Joe
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Let's put it this way. If I had two Gus Szmaboti cues with the same design, one with all original perfect condition shafts and one with Barry's new shafts, I would say the one with original shafts carry higher value.
Barry makes great cues and I respect his work. If I got a Szamboti I would like to have Barry's shafts with it too. But still, a Gus with Barry's shafts is not an all original Gus Szamboti cue.
 
poolchady said:
Yo Adam my friend,

I know I shouldn't ask but I just can't help. Are you ready to part with your SW babe 93-301 :D ?
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Hi Chady--always good to hear from you. It would be very hard to sell that "special" cue. That was a present from my wife. I must have been in stroke back then:confused: And, to further complicate matters, that cue hasn't missed a ball since 93. You will be the first to know if it becomes available.:)
 
poolchady said:
Let's put it this way. If I had two Gus Szmaboti cues with the same design, one with all original perfect condition shafts and one with Barry's new shafts, I would say the one with original shafts carry higher value.
Barry makes great cues and I respect his work. If I got a Szamboti I would like to have Barry's shafts with it too. But still, a Gus with Barry's shafts is not an all original Gus Szamboti cue.
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I agree--The cue with the original shafts would be worth at LEAST $1000 more. I wonder if that will be the case 3 or 4 decades from know when the "experts" are either gone or to senile to remember their names:confused:
 
Hi All,

This cue has been sold just now...Thanks for some people's questions, opinions, PMs and emails....:)

Paul
 
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