1P question(s) for those who play the game

[desert1pocket]

This is legal?(just noticed this)...Can you just move the cue ball and nothing more?

To clarify...we have been playing "make a hit and a rail" or pocket as it were.No pushes.

It is a foul, and will cost you a ball, but it may often be the best shot. Often when starting out playing 1-pocket, people fail to look at intentional fouls as valid shot options. An often overlooked intentional foul, other than the one Bob mentioned, is to bump the cueball into the side of the stack.

 

[desert1pocket]

This was exactly my point.
What mostly was your resolutions with the old timers when this situation came up?

Different situations had different outcomes. One guy conceded the game, turned out he knew the rules and was just trying to get one over on me. Another guy stood by the shot, and wouldn't even discuss it with me. I didn't argue too much, as I was way ahead, and it didn't really matter that much. A third player agreed to go online and play by whatever ruling was on onepocket.org (a railbird had his laptop out).

I try to inform people of the rules, as well as my sources for them, but I also try not to impose them on anyone, and not to argue. People will always have rule variations, and as long as I know of any major ones up front, I don't mind.

The rule I've had the most trouble with is during short handicap games where both winning balls are made in the same shot. I have learned that it comes up more often than you would expect, and any time I get in a short handicap game, I clarify that rule BEFORE we start playing.

 

[1pocket]

That was my intentention.Sharking aint me.

Thanks for the detailed post Bob.

Maybe I should have asked for diagrams of great one pocket shots that posters have pulled off.I have the general principal down,but I often find myself at the table without a clue as to what to do next...but I know there is an answer,I just don't know what it is...

There is a Great Shots page at OnePocket.org that could always use some more, but does have several dozen One Pocket "moves".

Regarding the question of different kinds of fouls, and when the opponent gets to keep a ball made on a foul shot and when they don't, it sounds like you guys figured that out:

The opponent keeps the ball in any of those strange foul situations -- the only fouls that bring an opponent's ball back onto the spot are pocket scratches and jumped cue ball fouls.

 

[Thunderball]

Excellent link Steve...perfect answer for my "moves" question.I'm gonna spend some time on that site this weekend.

 

[Onepocket73]

Seems how nobody wants to diagram a move for you..

I've been playing some 1 hole lately.I love the game and have some of it down (execution needs some work though).Overall I've been playing pool for many years but this game is pretty new to me.

During one shot,my buddy hit his shot but in the "follow though" his cue stick hit a ball which hit another and pocketed in my hole? Not being sure what to do,I spotted it.Was that the thing to do?

Also I hear the term "1pocket moves" from time to time.
What exactly does that mean?Would it be possible for some true 1 hole players to diagram a few of shots they consider "moves" that a guy new to the game might not consider?

CueTable Help

...I will.Here's a one hole move that I have executed with much success.The cueball is hit high with medium speed.The forced follow action on the cue will cause it to stick on the bottom rail like the diagram shows.When this shot is executed correcty,it changes the table from being my opponents advantage to being my advantage.

 

[Fast Lenny]

CueTable Help

...I will.Here's a one hole move that I have executed with much success.The cueball is hit high with medium speed.The forced follow action on the cue will cause it to stick on the bottom rail like the diagram shows.When this shot is executed correcty,it changes the table from being my opponents advantage to being my advantage.

This is a sporty shot,i first saw it a few years ago from my mentor,one pocket wasnt his game,lacked patience but he could bank from anywhere.

 

[Onepocket73]

This is a sporty shot,i first saw it a few years ago from my mentor,one pocket wasnt his game,lacked patience but he could bank from anywhere.

I have got to tell you,your signature short films are classics! I had to call in my brother-n-law and sister to look at them.They were dying laughing!!
BTW---I first learned this shot from Chris Gentile.A local one hole monster.

 

[Fast Lenny]

I have got to tell you,your signature short films are classics! I had to call in my brother-n-law and sister to look at them.They were dying laughing!!
BTW---I first learned this shot from Chris Gentile.A local one hole monster.

Thanks and rep for you for the shot and compliment.

 

[Southpaw]

Your buddy moved 2 balls so it's considered a foul. Since the ball that was pocketed in your hole was pocketed during a foul, it spots up. He owes a ball for the foul also.

I think this is the correct ruling in this situation. Also, the term "one pocket moves" means being able to foresee what shots your opponent will shoot and setting traps to make him give up shots to you. Just like chess except on a pool table.

Southpaw

 

[PIRANHA]

The rules make a little more sense when looked at in the context of their purpose. I believe the rules are worded that way to prevent an unethical endgame shot. Let's say your opponent has his game ball deep in the jaws of his hole, and there are open balls midtable. If you follow the ball in, they have ball in hand and can easily shoot one of the mid-table balls for the win. If the rules were like you originally thought, you could just make the hung ball while intentionally fouling (such as a double cueball hit, moving two balls, etc) and then the trouble ball spots up, one of yours spots up, and the cueball is now safe on the bottom rail.

I've had old timers try that move on me before, and it's one of the two rules I've seen the most arguments about during 1-pocket match ups.

Desert 1 pocket,
I'm one of the old timers that pulled that or some of the guy and most of them just let me get away with it,not knowing the rules. Some got real mad but it was funny. I would double hit the ball and call a foul.They said I couldn't call a foul on myself....?????
I think the ruling is the balls go back to the same spot as before and other player shoots. That takes away that move. LES

 

[pdcue]

Interesting point.

In this case it was an accident for sure,but I see what you mean.

Without "knowing" what to do I applied this logic:
If he "accidently" swept a ball into his hole with the side of his stick,I sure as hell wouldn't let it count,so why would it count for me?

Leaving it down in my hole and pulling one of his never occured to me,but again I really had no clue.

You don't get the ball.

Most One Pocket is played with the unfortunate "Cue Ball fouls only"
rule. You return the ball(s) as best you can and shoot from there.

If you are playing "Foul on all balls" which includes OB, it is a foul,
The pocketed ball is spoted, as is one of his balls, if he has any.
Any other balls moved are returned to original position.

Dale

 

[desert1pocket]

I think this is the correct ruling in this situation. Also, the term "one pocket moves" means being able to foresee what shots your opponent will shoot and setting traps to make him give up shots to you. Just like chess except on a pool table.

Nope, the correct ruling has already been established here by Gulf Port Doc. The ball made in your opponents hole stays down and you owe one. The only time a ball made in your opponents hole spots up, is if the cueball comes to rest off of the table. Here is the corresponding rule from 1pocket.org-

"6.2 Any scratch or foul results in the end of the shooter?s inning, as well as a standard one ball penalty. All balls pocketed in the shooter?s pocket as a result of a stroke that includes a foul do not count for the shooting player and are to be immediately spotted, along with the standard one ball penalty. Also, any balls pocketed in the opponent?s pocket on a stroke that ends in either a pocket scratch or with the cue ball off the table are not to be counted for the opponent, and are to be immediately spotted. However, on a stroke when any other foul is committed (such as a push shot, double-hit or illegal ball contact), any balls scored into the opponent?s pocket are to stay down and be counted for the opponent."

 

[desert1pocket]

Desert 1 pocket,
I'm one of the old timers that pulled that or some of the guy and most of them just let me get away with it,not knowing the rules. Some got real mad but it was funny. I would double hit the ball and call a foul.They said I couldn't call a foul on myself....?????
I think the ruling is the balls go back to the same spot as before and other player shoots. That takes away that move. LES

Not quite the correct ruling.... see above post. I've done it a few times too, but always just to show what the rules are, and why. Most people will let you get away with it, but they also tend to get pretty pissed, until I explain the correct ruling.

 

[desert1pocket]

You don't get the ball.

Most One Pocket is played with the unfortunate "Cue Ball fouls only"
rule. You return the ball(s) as best you can and shoot from there.

If you are playing "Foul on all balls" which includes OB, it is a foul,
The pocketed ball is spoted, as is one of his balls, if he has any.
Any other balls moved are returned to original position.

Dale

If only one ball had been moved, and didn't cross either the path of the object ball or cueball, then you would be absolutely correct.

If the ball did cross either path it is a foul, and the ball stays down.

When multiple balls are moved, it depends on where you play whether it's a foul or not.

 

[Thunderball]

well geeze...I thought the what to do with the ball knocked into my hole question was solved.Seems this is left to interpretation of the rules or maybe by which rules are decided on before hand.