1Pocket: what do you do? 11/18/07
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AZE said:So you mean to tell me you can shoot this jacked up over a ball and not miss the 5 on the right or left side of the ball - because if you do you've hit it with more than enough speed to get above it and sell out.
Sir, I call bullshit!
Call it whatever you like. I'm shooting it and laughing when you go, "holy shiat!". Its only half jacked up since I'm using left english. Hit is not important here, only spin and speed. OK I shot it 10 times (1 try only) and got the following:
4 safe leaves but fouled (no rail, owe a ball)
5 safe legal hits (no good banks left after the shot)
1 sellout
roughly 90% safe for me.
Try it using a lot of spin, but not extreme spin. You're trying to barely reach that ball off of the third rail. There's no need to get close to either corner pocket. Remember how incredulous some people were at the 6-railer you proposed in another thread? This is not more difficult IMHO.
A one-railer or a 2 railer? The bank doesn't look good to me. Maye Bugs would shoot it, but not me.AZE said:
Down here the equipment won't take this shot and almost no one shoots it. If the cue ball is on the other side of the 5 maybe, but not as set up. As I see it, you would need to counteract opposite collision induced english with extreme outside just to get the 5 to turn back.
It usually ends up like this:
I'll try it at home, but I'm fairly certain shooting the bank would be a lost bad idea (for me at least). And for the cheese, I'm betting that the experienced one-hole player might kick at the 1/6 anyway...
-td
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TD you're absolutely right, the 1/6 kick is probably the shot there - which is what you are for sure selling out with Franky's bad shot. And that bank that he left is tough, but imagine it comes out an inch more. I was just letting him know it was a bad shot.
So Franky, it's a bad shot, even if you don't miss the 5 and sell out. But I want to see if you can come up with a better solution, you're obviously creative.
I'm going to set this shot up and see how viable the 4-railer at the 6/1 is, but so far I like the 1-rail, 2-rail, and 3/4 rail behind the 5.
So Franky, it's a bad shot, even if you don't miss the 5 and sell out. But I want to see if you can come up with a better solution, you're obviously creative.
I'm going to set this shot up and see how viable the 4-railer at the 6/1 is, but so far I like the 1-rail, 2-rail, and 3/4 rail behind the 5.
another ridonkulous shot
Although I like the simple one rail kick as well, I'd probably shoot either the bank I already talked about or this little nudge/foul shot. I feel that the one railer is susceptible to roll off and tiny misapplications of english if you try to get a legal hit.
This probably costs a point depending on the state of the balls (frozen, etc.) but will likely allow you to clear out the 5-ball during your next inning. The key is to try get close to or even frozen on top of the 1-ball by pushing the 6-ball far enough to line up a combo that may go in your pocket, but not so far as to make one that can go in his.
Although I like the simple one rail kick as well, I'd probably shoot either the bank I already talked about or this little nudge/foul shot. I feel that the one railer is susceptible to roll off and tiny misapplications of english if you try to get a legal hit.
This probably costs a point depending on the state of the balls (frozen, etc.) but will likely allow you to clear out the 5-ball during your next inning. The key is to try get close to or even frozen on top of the 1-ball by pushing the 6-ball far enough to line up a combo that may go in your pocket, but not so far as to make one that can go in his.
td873 said:
An experienced one hole player would anticipate his opponent kicking at the 1/6 and come to the conclusion that he is not too worried about that move. It looks like it could actually help him to maneuver the balls into a more favorable position. But, I also realize that a small percentage of the time the kick could be crushing.
And, noone has mentioned this part of the shot...if the kick shot is a little firm, the cue ball will carom towards the 6/1, eliminating everything except a funky 3 railer, skimming off the 5 and sending the cue ball downtown, and moving the 5 uptable and the cue ball by your pocket.
Another shot I see, assuming 6 and cue ball are frozen, push through the 6, probably aiming just short of the 1st diamond on the long rail, and try to place the cue ball behind the 5.
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