I know 500 isnt too much to most people on here but it is to me considering I'm in college and don't have a full time job. The Carolina Open is here near me this weekend and I have been wanting to match up with this kid for quite awhile. The set will most likely be me giving up the last 3 or the call 8 for 500...What did everyone do to prepare for your first big set and how did you do?
1st big set?
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traa89 said:
First of all, if 500 is out of your comfort zone or you've never felt the pressure of a bigger set then don't do it unless its a total lock. I personally love pressure. I have always thrived the higher the bet because I started playing golf for higher stakes at an early age. If 500 is putting your bankroll all in then I would suggest not doing it also. If you like your end a lot then I would suggest playing regardless of the circumstances. The higher the confindence you have then the better you are going to do normally. Don't prepare any different than you do for any other set. The biggest mistakes people make is trying to do something different just because the bet is bigger. You should want the conditions to be the same as they are for a 20 dollar set and you should view it as such. The closer you come to mimicking your normal play then the better you will fare. IMO . The first big bet I had was when I was 15 or 16 and my dad staked me in a golf match for $1000 against a guy that I normally beat on our home course, but he thought he could high roll me into dogging it. I shot 69 and won by like 7 or 8 strokes.
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azbluemach1
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Traa - Just curious what the logic is for matching up in a big set with the guy? If he is willing to give up that much weight, he obviously thinks he is better than you. Do you think you can beat him straight up?
I think what is more important than how you might play for big cheese is HOW WELL and HOW OFTEN does he play at those stakes? Are you going to put him out of his comfort zone? Or does he gamble for those stakes all the time? Who has he beaten and how do you match up with them? Who has beaten him in a cash game, and how do you match up with them?
Personally, the only way I would be doing what you are doing against a better player is if you KNOW FOR SURE the following:
1.) You absolulty will torture him with that spot.
2.) He doesnt' have you bankrolled to the point where he will demand another set when you win the first one without any weight.
If it is one and done and you are sure that you can take him off, play the set.
Otherwise it might be better to play per game, and hope to jump out to a quick lead on him before the spot gets adjusted.
Look at it like this - if you are playing 10 a rack, you need to lose 50 racks to lose your whole 500. At 20 it is 25 racks. If you can jump out to a quick lead on the guy you may be able to get his whole bankroll without risking all of yours.
Risk management is what it is all about. Oh yea, and either way, ask for more weight. Always ask for more weight.
Also, have the 2 of you played before? It might be a good idea to lay a little spread on the guy, like lose 50-100$ with the weight he is giving you, and then come back and get the guy to over commit with the spot - and THEN lockup in one big set.
I think what is more important than how you might play for big cheese is HOW WELL and HOW OFTEN does he play at those stakes? Are you going to put him out of his comfort zone? Or does he gamble for those stakes all the time? Who has he beaten and how do you match up with them? Who has beaten him in a cash game, and how do you match up with them?
Personally, the only way I would be doing what you are doing against a better player is if you KNOW FOR SURE the following:
1.) You absolulty will torture him with that spot.
2.) He doesnt' have you bankrolled to the point where he will demand another set when you win the first one without any weight.
If it is one and done and you are sure that you can take him off, play the set.
Otherwise it might be better to play per game, and hope to jump out to a quick lead on him before the spot gets adjusted.
Look at it like this - if you are playing 10 a rack, you need to lose 50 racks to lose your whole 500. At 20 it is 25 racks. If you can jump out to a quick lead on the guy you may be able to get his whole bankroll without risking all of yours.
Risk management is what it is all about. Oh yea, and either way, ask for more weight. Always ask for more weight.
Also, have the 2 of you played before? It might be a good idea to lay a little spread on the guy, like lose 50-100$ with the weight he is giving you, and then come back and get the guy to over commit with the spot - and THEN lockup in one big set.
"The set will most likely be me giving up the last 3 or the call 8 for 500..."
I think traa is giving up the spot..
I think traa is giving up the spot..
corvette1340 said:
Wiser words could not have been written. I don't play for $500 now, let alone when I was in college! I guess, part of the reason I say such is because I can't afford to go on tilt at the poolroom when I have bills to pay. I don't know if it's the case with you or not but when I was in college, it was okay to go bust when I could just go home to mom & dad and get a meal.
IMO, to play for $500 means you have to be ready to lose 2k (assuming this isn't a lock) since if you feel you're favored and lose the first set, you have to be ready to pony up and play again and the third set could easily be double.
UWPoolGod1 said:
What he said.
Oddly, The Winds Are PERFECT Today
Today, this is called Tilt, but it days of yore, it was called 'sailing'...
Many is the time that I 'cast off all lines and went sailing'. (in fair weather and foul)
Going sailing or on tilt can give you much to think about on the drive home and sometimes it invades your dreams as well.
Doug
Jude Rosenstock said:
Today, this is called Tilt, but it days of yore, it was called 'sailing'...
Many is the time that I 'cast off all lines and went sailing'. (in fair weather and foul)
Going sailing or on tilt can give you much to think about on the drive home and sometimes it invades your dreams as well.
Doug
azbluemach1
Member
My bad guys - thought he was getting weight not giving it.
Take everything I said about weight and reverse it. lol.
This totally changes it obviously. If you are the better player, why give the guy a chance to take down your entire bankroll in one set? Grind it out, bleed him dry for 20$ a game. Get up on him and then try to clean him out 'on the velvet' (betting someone elses money - i.e. the $$ he just lost to you).
This aint hollywood. In the real world the money is made by grinding, not by taking down 1 huge set.
Take everything I said about weight and reverse it. lol.
This totally changes it obviously. If you are the better player, why give the guy a chance to take down your entire bankroll in one set? Grind it out, bleed him dry for 20$ a game. Get up on him and then try to clean him out 'on the velvet' (betting someone elses money - i.e. the $$ he just lost to you).
This aint hollywood. In the real world the money is made by grinding, not by taking down 1 huge set.
lol, okay then.
So this is what I would do if I were you to prepare for this set:
1. Put all my finances in order
2. Go to ATM
3. Have fun
So this is what I would do if I were you to prepare for this set:
1. Put all my finances in order
2. Go to ATM
3. Have fun
azbluemach1
Member
Jude Rosenstock said:
Jude's got it nailed. The first set is rarely the last.
Life is about taking chances...If you like your odds take a chance..Plus you will never get over the sticker shock of playing for big$$$ unless you start doing it a few times..
It is amazing how after playing for what seemed like Big $$$ at the time seems to get more normal each time you play for it...
The goal is to play the same speed for 50 bucks or 500...
just my 2cents
It is amazing how after playing for what seemed like Big $$$ at the time seems to get more normal each time you play for it...
The goal is to play the same speed for 50 bucks or 500...
just my 2cents
bet it up
if you like your end and don't think the big amount will phase you, go for it. i mysekf like to play where i have at least 4 barrel. things happen and if someone craps out on ya ya want to be able to fade it and play another. if 500 is all ya got, bet 100 doller sets or 200. if he don't wanna play ,fugum. or get someone to go up with ya. one thing ya got to remember. the only way to win alot, is to bet alot. $20 be + winning $20. $500 bet=alot. bet it up
if you like your end and don't think the big amount will phase you, go for it. i mysekf like to play where i have at least 4 barrel. things happen and if someone craps out on ya ya want to be able to fade it and play another. if 500 is all ya got, bet 100 doller sets or 200. if he don't wanna play ,fugum. or get someone to go up with ya. one thing ya got to remember. the only way to win alot, is to bet alot. $20 be + winning $20. $500 bet=alot. bet it up
Always Post The Ca$h
Yes, and the second goal is to make sure that you have the money WITH YOU..... imo
Doug
( or a jar to collect your teeth )
The Kiss said:
Yes, and the second goal is to make sure that you have the money WITH YOU..... imo
Doug
( or a jar to collect your teeth )
True...Not that I was advocating shooting air....But how much fun is it when you win when you ain't got 2 nickles to rub together...
As Lee Trevino once said...Sinking a 30 footer to win a tournament is'nt pressure..Playing a $500 dollar nassau with 5 bucks in your pocket is pressure.
As Lee Trevino once said...Sinking a 30 footer to win a tournament is'nt pressure..Playing a $500 dollar nassau with 5 bucks in your pocket is pressure.
Play an ahead set. Like 10 ahead or something that would allow you time to recover from dogging it a little due to possibly being out of your comfort zone.
I agree with the others that its important you stay in your comfort zone unless your stealing. That said, playing out of your comfort zone is one of the ways to take it to the next level.
I agree with the others that its important you stay in your comfort zone unless your stealing. That said, playing out of your comfort zone is one of the ways to take it to the next level.