these shafts where made for a longer old southwest kersenbrock era cue a 1982.....these shafts where made by david not ed. they are in like new condition.they have brown collars one has never been played the other has light play...they are both 13 mm and they are both one inch longer than a standard southwest shafts iwant 200 each for these shafts it would take you a very long time to get david to make you a set of shafts for a cue if you ever could please feel free to call me ......765 983 2277 tim cole