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Hope the turnout is not so low that this is cancelled
Hope the turnout is not so low that this is cancelled
2010 Texas State BCAPL 9-Ball Championships
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Just speaking from my own experience, they only way I knew about this tournament was surfing through the az forums. This wasn't a tournament that was advertised through MY leagues (I play in 4 different leagues). I don't know where else it has been advertised..... Also, it could be other tourneys at the same time.
I have my entry in, and would love to see this tourney happen : )))
We sent the flyers to all the league operators that the BCAPL have. We need everyones emails so we can get the word out for future events. We need the players help and input! Please email me your info if you want tournaments in the future. Ric@badboysbp.com we will not send a bunch of junk mail
I'm a (fairly new) BCAPL league operator, but didn't get a flyer. Is it too late to sign up for singles? I might even be able to get one of my teams to go, but the late fee might keep them from going.
Sorry to say but we have no choice but to cancel this event. We do want a BCAPL Texas State 9-Ball Championship, if you have suggestions for better dates next year, we would try again. I also am requesting if you are a BCAPL player please send me your email address so we can send you dates and info for other events. We need everyones help to get the word out. Thank you to the ones that did sign up and again I am very sorry!
Please keep your eyes open we will be putting out a flyer for the BCAPL Texas State 8-Ball next week and we are hoping to ink a deal in Oklahoma City for an event in January, we would love to see you all there
Please keep your eyes open we will be putting out a flyer for the BCAPL Texas State 8-Ball next week and we are hoping to ink a deal in Oklahoma City for an event in January, we would love to see you all there
I'll provide some input, I haven't been exposed to the history/trends of these tourneys, so you can take this as a fresh set of eyes.
From an Austin perspective, there are only a couple of BCA leagues. There are a large count of APA leagues and a handfull of TAP. I assume that not having a BCA membership would cut one out of this event.
Why the Killeen area? Because it's more central in TX?
What makes this a 'championship'? If it's attached to the BCAPL, shouldn't the leagues feed and supply the players to a state championship?
With 10 categories, were the entries too spread out to fill em?
Sorry if my questions are so newbie, but like I said, maybe a new perspective will be informative.
Best Regards
From an Austin perspective, there are only a couple of BCA leagues. There are a large count of APA leagues and a handfull of TAP. I assume that not having a BCA membership would cut one out of this event.
Why the Killeen area? Because it's more central in TX?
What makes this a 'championship'? If it's attached to the BCAPL, shouldn't the leagues feed and supply the players to a state championship?
With 10 categories, were the entries too spread out to fill em?
Sorry if my questions are so newbie, but like I said, maybe a new perspective will be informative.
Best Regards
Good questions,
It's BCAPL Championships and the league should support the event. We have discovered that even though we set and published our dates a year ago, that some people even after being told, desired to schedule on top our event anyway. Another problem is that some people have changed e-mails and didn't notify the BCAPL or they don't look at there e-mails or they see there e-mails and choose not to pass the word on.
We use the Killeen area because the location treats us very good. To bring in 40-80 tables and pull off a big event is very expensive and if the location doesn't work with the promoters then it won't work.
Texas is a big place and we are always looking for other locations in order to offer all players the opportunity to play in events this size.
I would love to do an all league championship, inviting all to come play but each league has a different handicap system.
Tells us what you want in tournament and give us a way to contact each of you, and with the players help we will do what we can to bring a huge tournament to Texas.
Thank you all Ric Jones-Bad Boys Billiard Productions
It's BCAPL Championships and the league should support the event. We have discovered that even though we set and published our dates a year ago, that some people even after being told, desired to schedule on top our event anyway. Another problem is that some people have changed e-mails and didn't notify the BCAPL or they don't look at there e-mails or they see there e-mails and choose not to pass the word on.
We use the Killeen area because the location treats us very good. To bring in 40-80 tables and pull off a big event is very expensive and if the location doesn't work with the promoters then it won't work.
Texas is a big place and we are always looking for other locations in order to offer all players the opportunity to play in events this size.
I would love to do an all league championship, inviting all to come play but each league has a different handicap system.
Tells us what you want in tournament and give us a way to contact each of you, and with the players help we will do what we can to bring a huge tournament to Texas.
Thank you all Ric Jones-Bad Boys Billiard Productions
Good questions,
It's BCAPL Championships and the league should support the event. We have discovered that even though we set and published our dates a year ago, that some people even after being told, desired to schedule on top our event anyway. Another problem is that some people have changed e-mails and didn't notify the BCAPL or they don't look at there e-mails or they see there e-mails and choose not to pass the word on.
We use the Killeen area because the location treats us very good. To bring in 40-80 tables and pull off a big event is very expensive and if the location doesn't work with the promoters then it won't work.
Texas is a big place and we are always looking for other locations in order to offer all players the opportunity to play in events this size.
I would love to do an all league championship, inviting all to come play but each league has a different handicap system.
Tells us what you want in tournament and give us a way to contact each of you, and with the players help we will do what we can to bring a huge tournament to Texas.
Thank you all Ric Jones-Bad Boys Billiard Productions
It's BCAPL Championships and the league should support the event. We have discovered that even though we set and published our dates a year ago, that some people even after being told, desired to schedule on top our event anyway. Another problem is that some people have changed e-mails and didn't notify the BCAPL or they don't look at there e-mails or they see there e-mails and choose not to pass the word on.
We use the Killeen area because the location treats us very good. To bring in 40-80 tables and pull off a big event is very expensive and if the location doesn't work with the promoters then it won't work.
Texas is a big place and we are always looking for other locations in order to offer all players the opportunity to play in events this size.
I would love to do an all league championship, inviting all to come play but each league has a different handicap system.
Tells us what you want in tournament and give us a way to contact each of you, and with the players help we will do what we can to bring a huge tournament to Texas.
Thank you all Ric Jones-Bad Boys Billiard Productions
My thoughts
I will echo most of what Ric said.
As a referee for the event, I have mixed feelings about it always being in my home town area. Although I like sleeping in my own bed I do miss the days of going to Dallas, Houston, Corpus Christie....etc., etc. When the Tournament was in a different city every year it was almost like a mini vacation. Having said that, I think centrally located is a good idea for turnout. By having it where it is, the turnout from Amarillo or El Paso might not be that great, but moving the tournament to one of those locations would depress turnout even more. The I-35 corridor (DFW, Waco, Fort Hood, Austin, San Antonio and Houston) area is where the majority of the players come from.
The low turnout for this event, in my opinion stem from a number of reasons.
1. ACS just had their tournament a few weeks earlier here.
2. It's a bad economy!!!! Some people don't have jobs anymore. Some people are more careful with their money. Some people don't have as much money to spend like that.
3. This is only my opinion but, the majority of the BCAPL and ACS leagues play 8 Ball. There may be a few nights here and there with 9 Ball but I think it's mostly 8 Ball. Therefore the demand for 9 Ball is less. APA has a larger 9 Ball audience but by and large they can't/don't play in BCAPL so they are not able to play anyway. Most of the 9 Ball players play it on big table and they play it for money and the majority of them don't play league pool.
I think the best turnout that I saw for 9 Ball was when it was combined with the 8 Ball tourney as an event instead of a separate tournament.
I will echo most of what Ric said.
As a referee for the event, I have mixed feelings about it always being in my home town area. Although I like sleeping in my own bed I do miss the days of going to Dallas, Houston, Corpus Christie....etc., etc. When the Tournament was in a different city every year it was almost like a mini vacation. Having said that, I think centrally located is a good idea for turnout. By having it where it is, the turnout from Amarillo or El Paso might not be that great, but moving the tournament to one of those locations would depress turnout even more. The I-35 corridor (DFW, Waco, Fort Hood, Austin, San Antonio and Houston) area is where the majority of the players come from.
The low turnout for this event, in my opinion stem from a number of reasons.
1. ACS just had their tournament a few weeks earlier here.
2. It's a bad economy!!!! Some people don't have jobs anymore. Some people are more careful with their money. Some people don't have as much money to spend like that.
3. This is only my opinion but, the majority of the BCAPL and ACS leagues play 8 Ball. There may be a few nights here and there with 9 Ball but I think it's mostly 8 Ball. Therefore the demand for 9 Ball is less. APA has a larger 9 Ball audience but by and large they can't/don't play in BCAPL so they are not able to play anyway. Most of the 9 Ball players play it on big table and they play it for money and the majority of them don't play league pool.
I think the best turnout that I saw for 9 Ball was when it was combined with the 8 Ball tourney as an event instead of a separate tournament.
Well, as my luck would have it.. the stars do seem to be aligning and I would have been able to go to this... yet it's cancelled
I have 9-ball teams in my league...
... , I only knew about this from looking at the playbca.com website... and when I found it (at that time) the flyer wasnt out.
I hope there is a big push to advertise/promote this for next year... I love 9-ball !!!
I'm from Houston, and the feedback here is, it cost to much and not enoughs added. I mean it's $1 a game and 10 divisions, must bring in 50k in coins or more. Maybe make less divisions, and dont eliminate players(Grand Maters) they are a part of the BCA. If they gotta play with the masters just make em spot them, whatever it takes.
Also my question, why Harker Heights? And I play league , although I knew about it, it was never mentioned at league.
Maybe just try and run 1 a year before the BCA and not 2, and perhaps it will mean more to the people of Texas.
Also like the man above said, make it where the 9 and 8 ball events are along side each other.
But the backbreaker is the amount of games you pay for verse the payouts. Atrocious.
Also my question, why Harker Heights? And I play league , although I knew about it, it was never mentioned at league.
Maybe just try and run 1 a year before the BCA and not 2, and perhaps it will mean more to the people of Texas.
Also like the man above said, make it where the 9 and 8 ball events are along side each other.
But the backbreaker is the amount of games you pay for verse the payouts. Atrocious.
Hears my guesses for why the sign ups were so low.
1. Bar table 9 ball just isn't very popular. Most typical league players only play 8 ball, especially all the lower skilled players who would still go and donate at an 8 ball event but will not go to play 9 ball. I would just forget the 9 ball event and put that money into the 8 ball event to make it that much bigger and better (or do two of them).
2. The event wasn't advertised enough. You have to advertise the crap out of it, and start the advertising many months in advance. This thread was the first I've heard about it. Information about tournaments like this are very seldom distrubed very efficiently by league operators (they usually only tell a few people), and a great many won't pass the information on at all. If you depend on LO's as your main form of advertising then you will be doomed every time.
3. HORRIBLE location. You need to have the tournament in a major metropolitan area, and I would rotate between Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, San Antonio, and Austin. No matter where the tournament is being held, you should pull a ton of the local players for sure. That is problem #1 with Killeen, there aren't any local players, so 99.5% of your prospective market is having to travel and incur all the related travel and lodging expenses if they want to attend. In a big metropolitan area, just because it is there and convenient, you will be pulling a ton of the local league players that would never travel to play but will play when it is there because it is convenient.
The next problem with Killeen is that nobody wants to go to go there because there is nothing else to do and it is seen as BFE.
And finally, even if some people have to drive a little further than Killeen to the new location, I don't think it will hold many people back because of an extra hour or two on the road and another ten bucks in gas, especially since it is in a more appealing location that can also be made into a mini vacation of sorts. And the few that you do lose due to a longer drive will more than be made up for by all the locals you will be able to pull in from a major metropolitan area. Basically, by having it in a large metropolitan area, those who were willing to travel to Killeen are for the most part still going to be willing to travel to the new location (and some new ones too since the location is now much more appealing), plus you now have a huge pool of new players that will be playing (all the locals that never would have traveled for a tournament).
1. Bar table 9 ball just isn't very popular. Most typical league players only play 8 ball, especially all the lower skilled players who would still go and donate at an 8 ball event but will not go to play 9 ball. I would just forget the 9 ball event and put that money into the 8 ball event to make it that much bigger and better (or do two of them).
2. The event wasn't advertised enough. You have to advertise the crap out of it, and start the advertising many months in advance. This thread was the first I've heard about it. Information about tournaments like this are very seldom distrubed very efficiently by league operators (they usually only tell a few people), and a great many won't pass the information on at all. If you depend on LO's as your main form of advertising then you will be doomed every time.
3. HORRIBLE location. You need to have the tournament in a major metropolitan area, and I would rotate between Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, San Antonio, and Austin. No matter where the tournament is being held, you should pull a ton of the local players for sure. That is problem #1 with Killeen, there aren't any local players, so 99.5% of your prospective market is having to travel and incur all the related travel and lodging expenses if they want to attend. In a big metropolitan area, just because it is there and convenient, you will be pulling a ton of the local league players that would never travel to play but will play when it is there because it is convenient.
The next problem with Killeen is that nobody wants to go to go there because there is nothing else to do and it is seen as BFE.
And finally, even if some people have to drive a little further than Killeen to the new location, I don't think it will hold many people back because of an extra hour or two on the road and another ten bucks in gas, especially since it is in a more appealing location that can also be made into a mini vacation of sorts. And the few that you do lose due to a longer drive will more than be made up for by all the locals you will be able to pull in from a major metropolitan area. Basically, by having it in a large metropolitan area, those who were willing to travel to Killeen are for the most part still going to be willing to travel to the new location (and some new ones too since the location is now much more appealing), plus you now have a huge pool of new players that will be playing (all the locals that never would have traveled for a tournament).
I agree to a point
I agree with most of what you said ....but having some inside knowledge , there is a small problem with your suggestion to have the tournament in large metropolitan areas .
1. There is a lack of available buildings large enough to hold such an event.
2. Most of the buildings large enough are hotels and the hotels large enough to host that type of event are not cheap. Furthermore the hotels large enough want guaranteed sleep nights and the promoter of the events cannot make the players stay there .
3. So now you have a large tournament, in a large city, in a large ballroom of a large hotel which the players won't stay at so the promoter is on the book for the unused rooms which results in the promoter only doing 1 tournament like that before he goes broke and let's not forget the players complaining because there isn't enough added money which the promoter had to use to cover the rooms the players did not stay in!
That happened to the last BCAPL Tx president (Among other things) and he couldn't cover expenses.
I actually liked going to other cities every year, but if the reality is you hold it where the building is large enough to host it and you can afford to pay all your bills and pay the players vs. all the above, then I'll take reality
I agree with most of what you said ....but having some inside knowledge , there is a small problem with your suggestion to have the tournament in large metropolitan areas .
1. There is a lack of available buildings large enough to hold such an event.
2. Most of the buildings large enough are hotels and the hotels large enough to host that type of event are not cheap. Furthermore the hotels large enough want guaranteed sleep nights and the promoter of the events cannot make the players stay there .
3. So now you have a large tournament, in a large city, in a large ballroom of a large hotel which the players won't stay at so the promoter is on the book for the unused rooms which results in the promoter only doing 1 tournament like that before he goes broke and let's not forget the players complaining because there isn't enough added money which the promoter had to use to cover the rooms the players did not stay in!
That happened to the last BCAPL Tx president (Among other things) and he couldn't cover expenses.
I actually liked going to other cities every year, but if the reality is you hold it where the building is large enough to host it and you can afford to pay all your bills and pay the players vs. all the above, then I'll take reality
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I think the location is excellent! Center of the state, room big enough to hold all the tables, cost-effective for Bad Boys to hold it there.
I have loved the idea from day one that it is in the center of the state. I never have time to sight see or look around. Give me a hotel, decent restaurants, and pool, and I am happy.
I have loved the idea from day one that it is in the center of the state. I never have time to sight see or look around. Give me a hotel, decent restaurants, and pool, and I am happy.
I'm familiar with all of the challenges you mentioned. You basically say that because of all these challenges, in a large market the promoter may only be able to do one tournament. Well guess what, in Killeen he didn't even get to do one as far as the 9 ball tournament goes, and the 8 ball tournaments haven't exactly been mind blowingly large either.
Yes there are drawbacks, but assuming he can find a location that is not absolutely astromical in cost (even if it costs quite a bit more than in Killeen), I still think a large metropolitan area is the place to be if you want a large and successful tournament. And even in a large city well over half of the players will still have traveled to get there so you can still book up quite a few rooms with your host property if it happens to be a hotel.
Without knowing the specifics on venues and pricing that are available in Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth, San Antonio, or Austin I could be wrong, but I have to think between those 4 large cities you could find a venue or three that would work much better overall. The current location obviously isn't working.