216 Pt Keith Hanssen: Over $9k

[jhanso18]

I'm sure that is all true; doesn't mean the cue is worth 9k.

-roger

Why would you come in this thread with that question in the first place? Every one else in this thread can appreciate fine craftsmanship, and nothing but praise, except for you. Do you have some sort of agenda? What makes you the authority of what something is worth? I've seen NAME cues that aren't half as intricate sell for just as much and more.


Like I said earlier, you can ask the guy that PAID for it, why it's worth $9k.


I think the old saying goes if you don't have any thing nice to type...

 

[buddha162]

Why would you come in this thread with that question in the first place? Every one else in this thread can appreciate fine craftsmanship, and nothing but praise, except for you. Do you have some sort of agenda?

I don't need anyone's permission to post on this thread, but I'll answer your questions nonetheless because I think it might be an educational moment.

I enjoy talking about cues. This is why I come to this forum. Part of being a cue enthusiast is being in tune with the market (such as it is at the moment), and I have no agenda beyond expressing my incredulity at the 9k value on that cue.

Once again, I have no doubt as to how much the CM charged for that cue (though it's doubtful someone actually paid 9k for it), but as to the value...they are not the same thing.

I've said nothing negative about the cue per se. It's not my cup of tea. But I'm sure it's a nice cue.

I've seen NAME cues that aren't half as intricate sell for just as much and more.

And there's a reason for that.

I think the old saying goes if you don't have any thing nice to type...

So that's what you would prefer, a forum where every post is in praise of some cue or topic or whatever. Incessant praise. That's an exciting idea, isn't it?

-roger

 

[jhanso18]

I don't need anyone's permission to post on this thread, but I'll answer your questions nonetheless because I think it might be an educational moment.

I enjoy talking about cues. This is why I come to this forum. Part of being a cue enthusiast is being in tune with the market (such as it is at the moment), and I have no agenda beyond expressing my incredulity at the 9k value on that cue.

Once again, I have no doubt as to how much the CM charged for that cue (though it's doubtful someone actually paid 9k for it), but as to the value...they are not the same thing.

I've said nothing negative about the cue per se. It's not my cup of tea. But I'm sure it's a nice cue.



And there's a reason for that.



So that's what you would prefer, a forum where every post is in praise of some cue or topic or whatever. Incessant praise. That's an exciting idea, isn't it?

-roger

I enjoy an exchange of opinion.

Your condescending tone about the price of this cue, is however unwarranted, and unappreciated. I am simply pointing out that although you feel you are "in tune" with the market, you obviously are not in tune with this particular market. Some one paid for this cue. It was commissioned to be done. A price was negotiated for a value of over $9k, that is all that needs to be said on the subject. (To be quite frank, it's more info than most people will put up about a price/value of a cue that has been completed.) In the future I'm guessing we will not get the luxury of knowing what something like this costs.

If it's not your cup of tea fine, say so and move on. To dog the value of what some one else has paid for is bush league if you ask me.

If you would like to discuss any other POINT on this cue, I would enjoy our exchange I am sure. (sorry, couldn't resist the PUN)

good day,

Justin

 

[zeeder]

Can someone show me what I'm missing? I count 16 points with three recuts each (which I don't feel should be counted as points) and 32 "points" in the but sleeve (I also disagree with calling these points) with two recuts each. Even though I believe recuts and butt sleeve "points" shouldn't be counted as points, regardless of maker, I only count 160. Where are the other 56?

 

[mia]

Some one paid for this cue. It was commissioned to be done. A price was negotiated for a value of over $9k, that is all that needs to be said on the subject.

You're confusing Price and Value as being one in the same. They are not.

Someone paid a PRICE for this cue. The cue does not hold the same VALUE on the market. Have the owner list it for sale at $9k and he'll see how quickly it sells if it ever sells at all.

 

[Danktrees]

also it's only natural for people to ask about determination of value when the op posts a price in the title of the thread. if there shouldn't be a debate about the value then a price shouldn't have been posted in the first place.

 

[ChrisOnline]

Can someone show me what I'm missing? I count 16 points with three recuts each (which I don't feel should be counted as points) and 32 "points" in the but sleeve (I also disagree with calling these points) with two recuts each. Even though I believe recuts and butt sleeve "points" shouldn't be counted as points, regardless of maker, I only count 160. Where are the other 56?

if you look at the points.. i believe he is counting the maple points comming back at the the points just above the rings above the wrap..

and it looks like the recuts are four colors? green natural cocobolo and black?

at least thats what it looks like to me.?
chris

 

[ddadams]

I'm sure that is all true; doesn't mean the cue is worth 9k.

-roger

As the saying goes

One man's trash is another's treasure.


I personally wouldn't buy it at that price either. I'd be more willing to pay the price for the 180 pointer he made.

I'm going to have him make a smaller one later this year, can't wait to hear how much I overpaid for it.

 

[jhanso18]

You're confusing Price and Value as being one in the same. They are not.

Someone paid a PRICE for this cue. The cue does not hold the same VALUE on the market. Have the owner list it for sale at $9k and he'll see how quickly it sells if it ever sells at all.

I am not confused. i understand that price and value do differ, i also know what a new Keith Kustom cue costs. This isn't the most valuable/expensive thing that Keith has built either.

I personally wouldn't have put a price in the first post, only because I've seen the type of posts it would bring. People in the know, will know what to pay for a cue of this caliber.

To come out in a thread and basically say, That's not worth _____ is insulting whether it is $10 or $10000000000000000. I understand exactly what some people are saying when they don't see the value with this cue, however this cue was commissioned and paid for, so that's all we really need to discuss in my opinion. If you thought the guy over paid, you wouldn't walk up to him in a pool hall and say, "You got F'd over. that's not worth $___." because it's rude.


AS TO THE POINT COUNT.

Some people count recuts as points, some don't. I do, and so does Keith. His logic, is that you are cutting in a point over a point, there for he counts it as a point. If you turned each point say 10 degrees then cut, would that be another point, or a recut? Just food for thought.

If you don't count recuts as points, then I suppose it's like 100 points or something like that then. Either way this is a beautiful cue, and we shouldn't drag it down, but nit picking minor things, IMO.

I honestly didn't sit and count the points, my eyes hurt trying to count my 54, so i'm not even going to attempt it at 216 points! I'll take Keith's word for it. He put in the sweat, and time to build it, I figure he knows.

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FWIW, this cue is breath taking in person, and fits the owner perfectly. Guy is constantly in action, and I'm sure This will be his new "Money Maker" from now on.

 

[zeeder]

if you look at the points.. i believe he is counting the maple points comming back at the the points just above the rings above the wrap..

and it looks like the recuts are four colors? green natural cocobolo and black?

at least thats what it looks like to me.?
chris

I guess I don't understand what maple you're referring to other than between the green and cocobolo. I did count the black points though:

Forearm: 16*4=64
Butt sleeve: 32*3=96
Total: 96+64=160

<--- probably blind.

 

[Danktrees]

If you thought the guy over paid, you wouldn't walk up to him in a pool hall and say, "You got F'd over. that's not worth $___." because it's rude.

that's a good point and you are right. I doubt very many people would do that. however the situation is different, if someone tells me their cue is worth x amount when I know it's not then I might say something. I definitely would say something if someone asks what makes the specified cue cost x amount and the guy comes back with a smartass response.

 

[mia]

....however this cue was commissioned and paid for, so that's all we really need to discuss in my opinion.

So then let's discuss the CUE. Not the pricetag. The OP should clearly have left that out.

 

[mia]

I guess I don't understand what maple you're referring to other than between the green and cocobolo. I did count the black points though:

Forearm: 16*4=64
Butt sleeve: 32*3=96
Total: 96+64=160

<--- probably blind.

I'm guessing that the buttsleeve points total is incorrect. I suspect that the buttsleeve is not ebony but that there are so many damn ebony points going up and down that it almost looks like an ebony buttsleeve with a bunch of tinier points in it. But what do I know?

If that IS the case, your buttsleeve numbers should be 32*4 and it would total 128.

As for how that fits into the overall number, I have no idea. Too many points for me to count. lol

 

[cueaddicts]

So then let's discuss the CUE. Not the pricetag. The OP should clearly have left that out.

I agree. Keith has paid his dues and been around this industry a long time. There's really no need for all this nittyness over semantics.

The fact is this: this is one talented guy....he's the only guy on planet Earth doing this kind of work right now. It's spectacular, and some people obviously value this kind of work a great deal.

If you asked a lot of the top dogs to build a cue like this, most I suspect would flat out refuse, and if they agreed, you wouldn't like the sticker price !!

****Knowing what I do know about his cues, I would really like to know more about how the butt sleeve is made.....

 

[jhanso18]

I guess I don't understand what maple you're referring to other than between the green and cocobolo. I did count the black points though:

Forearm: 16*4=64
Butt sleeve: 32*3=96
Total: 96+64=160

<--- probably blind.

I'm not 100% sure. I'll ask Keith to break it down for me later, and I'll let you know for sure.

 

[3Ball]

20 points with 3 recuts =80 (forearm)
16 points down with 2 recuts= 48
16 points up with 2 recurs = 48
20 diamond (assuming those each count for 2 points = 40
80
48
48
40
____ = 216 points

 

[mia]

20 points with 3 recuts =80 (forearm)
16 points down with 2 recuts= 48
16 points up with 2 recurs = 48
20 diamond (assuming those each count for 2 points = 40
80
48
48
40
____ = 216 points

Ooooh! Good call! Maybe those diamonds are actually opposing points?

 

[cueaddicts]

thanks for the info

20 points with 3 recuts =80 (forearm)
16 points down with 2 recuts= 48
16 points up with 2 recurs = 48
20 diamond (assuming those each count for 2 points = 40
80
48
48
40
____ = 216 points

It doesn't appear the diamonds in the middle of the butt meet in the middle (or maybe I'm just blind), so I'm curious how you get this effect with milling technique only. Really cool.

 

[3Ball]

Not bad for my 47th post haha

 

[3Ball]

My Keith valued at $27,000,000k centimental blue book value.