24 Stroke Shots Video - Can you make them all?

Colin Colenso said:
Assuming you mean getting past the center using the side rail (The B-shot as Zeeder diagramed), it looks possible, but just having tried the shot a couple of times I don't think I could do it on my table.

I think it needs a fast cloth, so you can keep a high spin:speed ratio without hitting too hard. My cloth eats up the CB spin over that 4.5 feet of travel, so I have to beat the heck out of it, which sends the CB too far out on the tangent.
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I think maybe in between fast and slow is perfect for this shot. I don't know if it can be done on really fast cloth, because the cueball slides too much, and it's very hard to get the angle going into the cushion for the outside english to pull it back far enough. On slow cloth I haven't seen it done either. I saw it done on some simonis that was about medium-speed.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
I think maybe in between fast and slow is perfect for this shot. I don't know if it can be done on really fast cloth, because the cueball slides too much, and it's very hard to get the angle going into the cushion for the outside english to pull it back far enough. On slow cloth I haven't seen it done either. I saw it done on some simonis that was about medium-speed.
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You could be right ther cuetech. If it were galsslike quick, then the CB would drift way out on the tangent. Just need a cloth that grips enough, but not so much that you need to smash the shot to keep the spin on the CB.
 
pinkisntwell said:
Well, avi is not a codec, but a container. You can put whatever video you want in it. You're using DivX, hence the watermark. In the step where you convert to avi, check to see if you can choose what compression you will use. You can choose Xvid and it will work great. If you don't have xvid check here.

Yeah, the cue flies a bit with the open bridge but it doesn't matter. In the few times I've tried playing with a closed bridge my whole bridge flies on power shots anyway :-)
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Cheers PIW,
Seems I don't know the differenct between a codec and a platform / container..working on it:D

I heard Xvid was less reliable that DivX, but I didn't even realize my encoder software (Xilisoft) was a Divx product until it added the watermark.

Anyway, I'll check out some other free or cracked 3GP converters / encoders and see how they work. Now I'm getting into this video editing, I better consider upgrading my camera. Wouldn't mind the new Red camera ( www.red.com ) that shoots at 4k :eek: :p :D

btw: This video was shot on my Sony Ericsson k750. Pretty impressive for a mobile phone, and it can shoot over 3 hours with my 512mb card.
 
Just got a chance to download it. Very nice video Colin. To answer your question, I think I'd have a problem with shots 1-18 and 20-24. Otherwise I wasn't too impressed. :)

Jim

P.S. Whatever you say about SPID, pivot points, etc., I accept.
 
Yes...

If you are playing on really fast cloth--like simonis 760--as in the poolroom I play at regularly, you have to be careful as you get some cueball skid, so shots have to be hit with absolute perfection--on a slower table it is much easier to control the cueball and to impart extreme english.

PlynSets said:
I think some of those shots would actually be easier to make becuase of a slow cloth. When I'm down at the pool hall if I play on one of the slower tables I end up putting so much "juice" on the ball to get it around that it's doing things that are almost defying belief. When I get home though, or play on one of the fast tables down there the cloth doesn't grab so much early on in the shot so there's less "curvature" from the initial english? (Not sure if I explained that right)

Great shots though!! I liked the video quite a bit and I think I'll run through them at home.

DJ
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Those shots are awesome. You've earned my respect. Now come back me up on my "two tips" thread! :D :D :D
 
Hal said:
Those shots are awesome. You've earned my respect. Now come back me up on my "two tips" thread! :D :D :D
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You don't need backup, you already won that battle:D

btw: Did you see shot no.15?...I had about 7 tips of left on that:eek:
 
GREAT video Colin. You are really stoken em. I hate it when I let myself in a position that I need that kind of thing, but its not always me. Then again if the next ball is on the other end of the table behind something, well it sure does come in handy sometimes doesn't it.

I also use these kinds of power shots in 8 ball in the beginning of a rack when it is the only way to get to my trouble ball early.

Just to add a little humor though, I don't think I'm going to practice the ones that send the cue ball toward the pocket. LOL Just kidding of course, from what I'm seeing in that video Colin can send the cue ball any place he chooses.
 
Colin Colenso said:
This is a little video I put together of 24 power stroke shots potting the OB from the center of the table into the same pocket each time and moving the CB to all the pockets around the table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keznf66dSHE

A few of them are quite challenging...especially on my table which has a pretty slow nap cloth.

Let me know which shots you think are the hardest to make.

Colin
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Thanks for your hard work getting that online for us....I really appreciate it.

Jeff Livingston
 
Thanks to all of you for the positive comments:)

I'd reply individually to each of you, but I get the feeling I'm hogging bandwidth. Just know I read and appreciate all the comments that have been made and hope I can put together some more videos in the near future that will provide a bit of entertainment as well as challenging practice for myself.
 
Super job, Colin! I finally got my cable fixed and was able to watch - it was my modem.

I use all the 2 and 3 railers with follow, but the ones with draw are the ones I have trouble on, although of course on fast cloth I can do a better job. I always say, leave me a hanging 9 ball and I will find a way to drop it!

Now, if I wanted to post a digital video, where and how do you do it? Given the people who want to post their vids up here, can you give us some easy instructions? I am buying a digital video camcorder, and a new digital camera with 1G movie capability should arrive tomorrow, before Vegas.

What are the size limitations on posting at youtube? When I have tried to post videos online before, I would run into that or it was only good for 25 or so downloads from other people to watch.

How are you overcoming those challenges and is there a cheap program for editing? I probably already have something that came bundled with other equipment. Any answers you can provide would be helpful.

Thanks, and again...great job!
 
rackmsuckr said:
Super job, Colin! I finally got my cable fixed and was able to watch - it was my modem.

I use all the 2 and 3 railers with follow, but the ones with draw are the ones I have trouble on, although of course on fast cloth I can do a better job. I always say, leave me a hanging 9 ball and I will find a way to drop it!

Now, if I wanted to post a digital video, where and how do you do it? Given the people who want to post their vids up here, can you give us some easy instructions? I am buying a digital video camcorder, and a new digital camera with 1G movie capability should arrive tomorrow, before Vegas.

What are the size limitations on posting at youtube? When I have tried to post videos online before, I would run into that or it was only good for 25 or so downloads from other people to watch.

How are you overcoming those challenges and is there a cheap program for editing? I probably already have something that came bundled with other equipment. Any answers you can provide would be helpful.

Thanks, and again...great job!
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Hi Linda,
Youtube has a 100mb and 10 minute video length limit (unless you get accepted as a director), and downloads are unlimited.

Probably best to keep a video under 20mb for 3 or 4 minutes of video as the upload time is very long. Anyway, they reformat it into a flash version which would only be about 8mb, so you'll lose the extra resolution anyway if you send in a super high res video.

I use Moviemaker which is available here free:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/moviemaker2.mspx

You can import your video in most popular formats and then edit and save the movie in .wmv format only....which is a pretty efficient format for quality v size.

I'm still a learner, but feel free to email me for more tips.

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
Refer to the diagram below:

A general rule of thumb (not an exact physics principle) is that the sharpest or tightest angle of return achievable on a non-elevated draw shot, is the line that mirrors the angle of approach.

As this shot is played from a distance (reducing the spin speed ratio) and with some side spin, the maximum draw angle will be less than that. Hence, the white line I've drawn is probably about the best angle achievable on this shot I imagine.
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I'm not sure why, but the shot diagramed doesn't seem all that tough to me? I'm going to head home after work and give it a shot..

DJ
 
PlynSets said:
I'm not sure why, but the shot diagramed doesn't seem all that tough to me? I'm going to head home after work and give it a shot..

DJ
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Look forward to hearing how it went. Looks easy on paper to me too:D

If the shot was played with the CB on the same line from 12 inches away I'm sure it's pretty easy, but after 4-5 feet of travel, the spin:speed ratio of the CB can drop quite a lot...on some cloths much more than others.
 
Colin Colenso said:
A few of them are quite challenging...especially on my table which has a pretty slow nap cloth.


Colin
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On a slow nap cloth?:eek: You've got a helluva stroke, my man!!

Doc
 
Colin Colenso said:
Look forward to hearing how it went. Looks easy on paper to me too:D

If the shot was played with the CB on the same line from 12 inches away I'm sure it's pretty easy, but after 4-5 feet of travel, the spin:speed ratio of the CB can drop quite a lot...on some cloths much more than others.
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When I got home I hit the shot twice.. I scratched in the side on my second attempt, which was telling me that this wasn't as tough as I originally thought. I'm pretty convinced that if I sat there and did it for awhile I could get it past the side pretty easily, point in fact I think max left/draw with a medium speed (on my table anyways) you should clear the side no problemo and almost hit the 1st diamond past the side. The table for reference has new simonis 860 on it, with fresh rails, and new 860 on them as well. (Old School Murrey)

DJ
 
How about this shot?

Colin - Really amazing action, I'm envious as hell.

I wonder how difficult for you the shot diagrammed below below would be. I've never been able to make it myself, or even come very close. It's a three rail draw shot to make the ball hanging in the opposite corner.

http://cuetable.com/P/?#3AQuI4BbKi3PKAJ3UQuI3Ubri3kKAJ3kQND1kcDM1kAvp2kcun4kaEa4uCMQ#

I saw this shot at an exhibition given in 1965 by Jimmy Caras for a new poolroom being opened on the south side of Chicago. As usual for such exhibitions, he played a game of straight pool to 125 against a local player and ran 125 and out. The he did his trick shot exhibition and this shot was one of them. The table was a 9 foot Brunswick and probably had the usual Brunswick cloth and cushions on it - I doubt that either were particularly fast. Caras was a pretty little guy and his stroke wasn't "wristy" at all - he appeared to grip the cue pretty tightly compared to Mosconi.

Again, amazing shots in your video!
 
Rich93 said:
Colin - Really amazing action, I'm envious as hell.

I wonder how difficult for you the shot diagrammed below below would be. I've never been able to make it myself, or even come very close. It's a three rail draw shot to make the ball hanging in the opposite corner.

http://cuetable.com/P/?#3AQuI4BbKi3PKAJ3UQuI3Ubri3kKAJ3kQND1kcDM1kAvp2kcun4kaEa4uCMQ#

I saw this shot at an exhibition given in 1965 by Jimmy Caras for a new poolroom being opened on the south side of Chicago. As usual for such exhibitions, he played a game of straight pool to 125 against a local player and ran 125 and out. The he did his trick shot exhibition and this shot was one of them. The table was a 9 foot Brunswick and probably had the usual Brunswick cloth and cushions on it - I doubt that either were particularly fast. Caras was a pretty little guy and his stroke wasn't "wristy" at all - he appeared to grip the cue pretty tightly compared to Mosconi.

Again, amazing shots in your video!
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Thanks Rich,
I'd be lucky to get a couple of feet past the 3rd rail on the shot you diagramed on my table. But on a fast table I think I could reach it.

btw. I reckon Larry Nevel, Deuel and some others would make pretty light work of that shot on the average tourney speed table.

Colin
 
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