2nd Generation X Breaker launch at Valley Forge

buddha162 said:
No, I don't.

He's not selling cues per se, he's making an announcement that his new line of products are debuting at VF.

This is considered billiards-related news, I think MAIN is where it belongs.

-Roger (oh and your sarcastic happy faces are a bit unnerving...but here goes: :) :) :) :) :) )

We have a differance of opinion. You are entitled to yours as I am to mine. :) That is not a sarcastic happy face---that is a happy happy face. :)
 
ribdoner said:
We have a differance of opinion. You are entitled to yours as I am to mine. :) That is not a sarcastic happy face---that is a happy happy face. :)

Well, in that case, I will recipricate the merriment:

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

100% sincere.

-Roger (sorry for being b****y :) )
 
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buddha162 said:
Well, in that case, I will recipricate the merriment:

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

100% sincere.

-Roger (sorry for being b****y :) )

ROTFLMFAO----havn't felt this warm an fuzzy since the last time I hit the pipe:)
 
Donovan said:
I read this on your site:

"We are very proud to have one of the best breaker in the World, Charlie Byrant, using the X Breaker (Midnight Black Model) in the new Pool Reality Show on OnDemand TV."

Can you tell us more about it, as this is the first time I've heard of this?

Yes, there is a new reality show and Jay Helfert is involved with its production. As far as I know, Vivian, Charlie, Frank...are all involved in the show.

I was not there during the shooting, but Charlie told me it has something to do with High Definition TV, and there are 3.5 million subscriber to this channel or something to that effect.

I think the best person to ask about this is Jay as I really do not know much except from what Charlie told me.

I will find out more at the Valley Forge show, I believe Charlie will spend some time at my booth so I can ask him for more information.

Richard
 
Let me first state that I think Richard is a really nice guy with good intentions. Secondly, I must admit I have not read every post in this thread.

There are some very strong claims made in the initial post, but what I fail to see are reasons as to why and how these things work. To distinguish your new product from products that attempt to lure customers with gimmicks, I would think you need to explain the claims you are making in detail. I'll dissect the following statements to show you what I mean.

nipponbilliards said:
This device is really revolutionary as it helps the player to have a more steady delivery of the cue upon impact, greatly improve cue ball control.

Sounds great at this point, but I am very much awaiting an explanation as to how and why this is the case.
nipponbilliards said:
The maXimizer is made of a gel type material. You can drop an egg 5 feet above this new patented material and it will not break.
Forgive me, but that fact that you can drop and egg on it does not prove anything. It could be made from materials from the space shuttle, but we need to know how this would support the claims that have been made.
nipponbilliards said:
This new material will filter out unwanted vibration, and recoil upon impact to keep the tip on the cue ball longer to increase power and a straighter cue delivery.
Ok, here is the big explanation. I don't know about everyone else, but this just does nothing for me. Absolutely nothing. Remember, this is the guy who is trying to sell the product, of course he is going to say good things about it. He'd be an idiot not to. What am I looking for???...

I simply want an explanation as to why he is making these claims. Was it only because people used it and said this, or because Richard used it and felt this?

I also want to know how the design originated? Was it because someone thought putting that thing there would help somehow. What was the reasoning behind it?

Proper evidence to make claims like these lies in some type of quantitative analysis where they measured the "vibration", "recoil", and tip time in contact with the cueball and then compared those measurements to those of other similar products. To just come out and make claims like this is absurd. In addition, we need to know why these things would be beneficial if your product does in fact provide the attributes you say it does.

What I have outlined here is one example. Now you can apply this to all the claims that have been made (not just here, but for all products). For example, their tips are harder than phenolic tips, ok, why is that better? Would granite make a better tip material if harder is better? How did they come up with the tip material? A guess? Through experimentation? By theoretical design (ie, using physics calculations to understand what type of material may be best). How is a harder tip staying in contact with the cb longer? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Why is a long tip in contact with the cb time good? Again, in my opinion these questions need to be answered to avoid the product looking like it is being marketed using gimmicks, or eye catching attributes that do nothing for performance. Research and development was mentioned, so there should be some type of data out there to back up these claims. I just think too many times a useless attribute is added onto a product with no other thought behind it other than a better way to market the product. Please prove me wrong, that is what I would like.

Let me end this by stating that I truly wish Richard the best of luck. Even I may use an XBreaker one day, from what I hear they work great. I just wish that marketing strategies would be done in a more factual manner.
 
Enzo makes a very good point. All too often does a new product come out with great new features with absolutely no hard data too back it up. Im not bashing the Xbreaker, but some data would be nice.

Thanks, Asgar
 
I'm sure Richard doesn't want to divulge ALL the data and trade secrets or it would ruin the competition and uniqueness of the xbreaker.
 
Enzo,

What a well thought out post. You ask some good questions. I'd be curious to know in more detail about the new maximizer as well, since I have an original model.
 
Back to the original thread (being it on the main forum or everywhere else), I'd like to share with you my experience. I own an X-Breaker since 5 months, and I have expressed my satisfaction with this product several times here (only in threads where posters were asking for opiniond about it, I don't have any deal with Richard).
I have received the new X-Breaker yesterday morning.
Now, I don't know the technical details, but yesterday I tested it for 3-4 hours of nine ball and I have no doubt there is a further improvement on this product. Less effort for more power and control, either in breaking and jumping. Maybe I'm the first to have the chance to make a comparison between the two models and I just thought someone would appreciate my 2 cents.

Sincerely,
tom
 
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Thank you everyone for the support at the expo. I was told the first day was the slowest day but I was down to my last X Breaker (with an extra sample and a few display models which were already sold) at 8 pm on the first day. I am glad you all like the 2nd generation X Breaker with the maXimizer.

I will have about 8 midnight black tomorrow and that will be all that I have for the next three days. In order to show my appreciation, I have decided to offer the same 10% discount for this batch to Azers as well.

For your information, the waiting list for a X breaker from me now will be about 45 to 60 days miminum.

Thank you very much for choosing the X Breaker.

Regards,

Richard
 
I ordered a maXimizer and a heavier weightbolt from Richard earlier this week when he announced the new release. He told me he would send it asap after Valley Forge. I thought this was very reasonable as he would be busy preparing for VF. I woke up this morning and the fed ex van came with a package. It was the maXimizer and the weight bolt. This was a great suprise as I thought it would come a week later. Richard really knows how to take care of his customers. Thanks again Richard!
TP

I'll give a review later this afternoon after I try it out.
 
enzo wrote:
> Proper evidence to make claims like these lies in some type of
> quantitative analysis where they measured the "vibration", "recoil",
> and tip time in contact with the cueball and then compared those
> measurements to those of other similar products. To just come out
> and make claims like this is absurd. In addition, we need to know
> why these things would be beneficial if your product does in fact
> provide the attributes you say it does. [...]
>
> Research and development was mentioned, so there should be some
> type of data out there to back up these claims. I just think too
> many times a useless attribute is added onto a product with no
> other thought behind it other than a better way to market the
> product. Please prove me wrong, that is what I would like.


It's nice to see that there's at least someone who is skeptical to those snake-oil claims. Yes, whenever someone refers to "research and development" without providing any data, I think of it as snake-oil until they show me how this research was done.

Don't get me wrong here, the maXimizer might satisfy a lot of people, but the phrase 'research and development' is much more than a marketing slogan to toss around -- it's a fact-finding analysis derived from testing, and hence, backed up by data.

Besides, whenever someone has to emphasize that their product "is not a gimmick", then I think it perhaps is. Maybe it's just me.

-- peer
 
nipponbilliards said:
Hi Enzo,

Thank you for your wonderful input and your kind wishes.

Actually our marketing strategy is very simple: we let our customers try our product and feel the difference themselves.

I have since learned that this is the best factural approach to help my customers to decide what is the best breaking cue out there--just forget about what I say and try it out yourself!:) :) :)

Richard

Richard,

I own an X-Breaker and am quite happy with the performance. I'm not surprised it is selling well. But enzo didn't ask how well the cue is selling, he asked some very fair, straightforward questions regarding specific claims you made. You ignored 100% of his questions with a quick story about a new customer that tried the cue and ended up buying it.

In other words, I don't think it's fair that you make claims as part of your marketing, and then when a customer asks you about them you jokingly say, "Just forget about what I say and try it out yourself".

If that's the case, I'd prefer your claims simply say "Try it! You'll like it!" rather than offering up pseudoscience that won't be elaborated on.
 
tom said:
Back to the original thread (being it on the main forum or everywhere else), I'd like to share with you my experience. I own an X-Breaker since 5 months, and I have expressed my satisfaction with this product several times here (only in threads where posters were asking for opiniond about it, I don't have any deal with Richard).
I have received the new X-Breaker yesterday morning.
Now, I don't know the technical details, but yesterday I tested it for 3-4 hours of nine ball and I have no doubt there is a further improvement on this product. Less effort for more power and control, either in breaking and jumping. Maybe I'm the first to have the chance to make a comparison between the two models and I just thought someone would appreciate my 2 cents.

Sincerely,
tom

I thought the maximizer improved breaking only?
 
I haven't tried mine for full cue jumping, but he might mean that it helps when jumping with the full cue.
 
sponge bob said:
I thought the maximizer improved breaking only?

I think the implication was that the harder tip (not the maximizer) is what may have improved jumping.
 
leather tipped xbreakers

is there anybody out there that has a xbreaker with a leather tip on it? or does anyone know of any azer's that have one with a leather tip. id love to get some info on how those jump and break. thanks.
 
shinobi said:
I think the implication was that the harder tip (not the maximizer) is what may have improved jumping.

The improvement I noticed was either in full cue jumps and short ones, I couldn't say if it's for the maximizer in the first case, but with the new tip is even easier controlling the path of the cueball. If you own a X-Breaker, you already know how easy is jumping at any distance. With this tip is just even easier, so that you can concentrate more on aiming the ball. :)
 
a thought

one thing that i feel often gets overlooked is that when it is easier to jump you are unable to get a lot of spin on the cueball. has anybody else noticed this? with really "good" jump cues that leap over balls with no effort, its almost impossible to draw the cb back a long ways... i usually get kind of a knuckle ball reaction on the cb. that was just something ive noticed and i wonder if other people have noticed the same.
 
enzo, I really couldn't say if that's the case or not. I've owned several different jump cues and break/jump cues. I've hit some shots with my X-Breaker and gotten good draw on the cue ball. I can't say whether I could've gotten more with another cue, since I haven't been looking for it.

I'm still wondering if Richard is planning to offer any data in regards to your questions about the claims.
 
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