2nd set if 100 shaft woods arrived!!!

masonh said:
i am sure there are plenty of shafts out there that are 3 rpi and have severe runout,but i doubt that Gus saw something special in these particular shafts.i bet he just grabbed them off the rack and put rings on them and that was that.


the runout scares me more than the 3 rpi,but if it's still straight then the runout didn't matter.
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I think you are correct. The difference between nowadays and backthen is that backthen there were only pool players that were expecting performance rather than looks. If it had a mineral deposit = so what; its gonna be blueish green soon anyway - the main thing is that it is straight and stays straight.
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
I think you are correct. The difference between nowadays and backthen is that backthen there were only pool players that were expecting performance rather than looks. If it had a mineral deposit = so what; its gonna be blueish green soon anyway - the main thing is that it is straight and stays straight.
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agree i tend to like the darker shafts myself. more spots/marks but better players IMO

for instance i had a few late model palmers pb's and pm's. they had the worst looking shafts ive seen but among the best players ive owned. if a maker here sold them shafts today on azb they would get ripped apart
 
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Here's an experiment for those that want to try seeing the concentration seems to be on the straightness of the grain, Take some dowels, full 1 inch, let them sit for say 2 months, then center them, use a 1 inch collet on the back and leave them sticking out 10 inches past the chuck when you center drill them, then look and see what the wood has decided to be the ferrule and joint side versus the grain, If you come up with, OH Shit, welcome to our world. My playing shaft was done this way, I break harder than most and play and jump with the same cue, Still straight. May sound good on paper but what does the wood say.
 
RFisher said:
Dick your post is about spot on BUT,

I still haven't gone through them and sorted: awsome, good, ok, less than thrilling, crappy, junk. I know no one is going to take my word for it, but I wish some of the guys (other than Kenny) would come forward and say what they wrote me about the shafts they got, I shipped shafts to about 20 guys, I have 3 that are disappointed, the rest have given me thumbs up and are interested in ordering again. The 3 that are disapointed I do feel bad about but that is the risk when I "grab and go with shaft wood, all that have bought and paid alittle extra for certain characteristics in the shaft have all been very satisfied. Only one who bought 100 was un happy, and he said he got 50 great blanks, and 30 very good blanks, 10 ok, 10 junk, and he was disappointed? If people expect every blank to be great/perfect, then either spend alittle more and have me pick them out, or I guess I'm not the right guy to order from.

But yes, For $6 per blank, and already round. Even if every shaft is only 6 gpi it's still cheap, and alot of them are higher, some in the 20gpi range. I cant contol grain straightness, and runout, I didn't grow the tree, and as GUS Szamboti would say, GOD MADE THE SHAFT, NOT ME.

This isn't an attack on you Dick, your opinion is respected, alot can be learned by you and others.

It's just, I haven't grabbed all the good blanks for myself and trying to sell the junk to every one else.

I'm sorry to the guys who were disapointed, I don't want to say you get what you paid for, but I did offer to sort through them to any and everyone for $8-20 a blank. The $20 ones are few and fare between.

my supplier grades these shafts from Color, low to no suger marks. The Ring count isn't something they can control, they don't sort shafts based on ring count and runoff, that is our Job.
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Bryan, I'm sorry if you got the impression that it was you that I was referring to. I have no clue how or if you pre-sorted your blanks before packaging. I was just giving some examples of my past experiences and why I no longer take a chance. I'm sure there are cue builders you are fair in their offerings and have bought a large quantity of material to take advantage of a better price break and then sell off the extra material not needed. Truthfully, I believe you and I are getting our blanks from the same source. The point I'm trying to make is, in my case, even though sometimes I may miss out on a bargain I just don't take a chance. I might add that over the years I have bought supplies from many sources and have pretty much narrowed down to the suppliers that I still use. There are only a very few that I buy any wood from unless they have pictures of the exact pieces that I am purchasing.

Hope you have much success in the sale of your blanks and I'm sorry if I put a damper on the sale. That was not my intent.

Dick
 
Michael Webb said:
Here's an experiment for those that want to try seeing the concentration seems to be on the straightness of the grain, Take some dowels, full 1 inch, let them sit for say 2 months, then center them, use a 1 inch collet on the back and leave them sticking out 10 inches past the chuck when you center drill them, then look and see what the wood has decided to be the ferrule and joint side versus the grain, If you come up with, OH Shit, welcome to our world. My playing shaft was done this way, I break harder than most and play and jump with the same cue, Still straight. May sound good on paper but what does the wood say.
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Can of worms and my lips are sealed.
 
Michael Webb said:
I would never try to speculate what Gus saw in his shaft wood but I will say that proper seasoning is the start for all that follows.
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Michael Webb said:
Here's an experiment for those that want to try seeing the concentration seems to be on the straightness of the grain, Take some dowels, full 1 inch, let them sit for say 2 months, then center them, use a 1 inch collet on the back and leave them sticking out 10 inches past the chuck when you center drill them, then look and see what the wood has decided to be the ferrule and joint side versus the grain, If you come up with, OH Shit, welcome to our world. My playing shaft was done this way, I break harder than most and play and jump with the same cue, Still straight. May sound good on paper but what does the wood say.
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rhncue said:
Bryan, I'm sorry if you got the impression that it was you that I was referring to. There are only a very few that I buy any wood from unless they have pictures of the exact pieces that I am purchasing.

I'm sorry if I put a damper on the sale. That was not my intent.

Dick
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NO SIR,

I don't take what you said putting me or the shafts down, I totaly understand what your saying though, here in Iowa some times people buy whole cows, and alot of times they split it with another person, and its kind of funny how the person who gets there half last always ends up with less T-bones, and no new york strips or tenderloin. That is the same reason for me not going in on alot of things with other cuemaker expecialy wood. But I must say it's funny because the one time I did, I was the one to cut up the slab, and even though it crossed my mind to take the best pieces, I actualy gave him more of the high end pieces to avoid the accusation of keeping the good stuff, but he still accused me of it, so I rarely do that anymore expecialy not with wood.

I got 2120 shafts in this load, in my shop I can only hang 1300 shafts, I had 400-450 shafts that have been hanging for atleast 2 years since I haven't ordered any in that long, and this is the lowest amount I've had in 5 years. That means I need about 850 shafts to fill it, plus keep another 300 of the worst ones for my b/js and jump cues, and come on guys be honest we can make anything jump with a phenolic tip. So the rest are for sale.

I have a few guys that aren't happy, as I've said, I offered to sort and pick what they wanted at better prices than other shaft suppliers but they still chose to get the $6 random shafts. I have one guy asking for a refund, I have said from the begining ring count and run off varies, I never told anyone every shaft is perfect, and everone that I've talked to on the phone or email, I said I'm not promising anything for the $6 blanks, but for $8 and up, I get you what ever you want, with in reason. Any one who has asked for certain ring count, straightness, has gotten it and pm'ed me back with positive reaction, only ones still waiting are the ones who want 30 gpi and straight grain. I am sorry for the ones who are disapointed but if you ordered $6 shafts from other suppliers, we all pretty much know what we get, atleast from me they are random so you have a chance at 15-20 gpi shafts, and there already round.

I've sold quit a few, I know a few guys are waiting to hear what others have to say before ordering so come what may, I make a living making cue's not selling shaft wood. Keep it going guys, I still want to hear from the main two guys, neither has bought wood from me but one has already shown up with his short and none helping coments, I'm waiting for the other one now, to say something like, I would never use shafts with less than 30 gpi on any of my cues including B/js, I've been making cues for 40 years although my profile says I'm 28, blah blah.
 
can anyone who has purchased these dowels say they have got grade A blanks because i only got 1 out of 16 i am so mad about this that i cant write about it just yet
 
ok its been 2 weeks now since i last posted on this thread as i needed to calm down a little, so not 1 person sayig they got a grade, why am i not supprised, having bought only 16 pieces of this rubbish you might be thinking i should not complain about the quality @ $6 each and if that was what i paid perhaps i would not even bother, but i paid to have them tapered at a total cost of $225 and to only get 1 of a good standard is just not good enough,this is the biggest load of firewood i have ever been sent from the U S A,, some of these are so bad that i have put them through the bandsaw allready, and yes i did write to the seller trying to get some satisfaction but to no avail before posting anything
 
I bought 40 of Joe Gold blanks," He said all out of these but I these others , just as good." I was able to use 10 out the bunch. Not good. I buy other stuff from Joe but never shaft wood, again. I won't be burned twice. Jim
 
Jim Baxter said:
I bought 40 of Joe Gold blanks," He said all out of these but I these others , just as good." I was able to use 10 out the bunch. Not good. I buy other stuff from Joe but never shaft wood, again. I won't be burned twice. Jim
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Yeah, this thread isn't about "JOES" shafts, there about the ones I sell, and I do have some for the $20-$30 range all of which are being bought by another cuemaker, The shafts that are being complained about are RANDOM $6 shafts, not hand picked shafts, if someone spends $8-20 per shaft, then they will be satisfied with the shafts 100%, if buying random $6 shafts, you get what you get, COMMON SENSE SHOULD PREVAIL ON THAT ONE. It's no ones buisness who buy's shafts from me, Kenny was very happy with his 200, did he get all "premium" shafts, NO, did he expect all premium? NO, I gave NIPPER the chance to have his choice on me picking them out, and instead of spending $2 more each, he just went with random, He's admitted to paying alot more to others, why wouldn't you spend the extra $2 and have piece of mind that you aren't taking chances on what you are getting?
 
Jim Baxter said:
I bought 40 of Joe Gold blanks," He said all out of these but I these others , just as good." I was able to use 10 out the bunch. Not good. I buy other stuff from Joe but never shaft wood, again. I won't be burned twice. Jim
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Hello Jim and everyone else out there on the Misinformation Network....

It's been said before by a very renowned cue maker and I quote, "I've never been involved in a more screwed up industry than this one!"

What a bunch of cry babies, whiners and back-stabbers. There is nothing anyone can do to make some people happy. And, even when they're happy, they whine if they're not back-stabbing.

First off, according to you, this transaction took place about 1 year ago. They were not the Gold shafts. According to our phone conversation, they were $10 shafts which I picked out. They were very nice shafts. You sent them to your friend, a "cue maker" who I never heard of. You stated that he hung them in his shop (still to this day as you mentioned). You bought them and claimed that your "cue maker" friend said, they were and I quote, "unusable" but he didn't want to return them. He wants to keep 40 "unusable" shafts. That raises a question in my mind but the invitation is still open for a full refund. So, send them back because I don't want you to feel "burned".

On one hand you still purchase from us (as you mentioned) and always tell us how wonderful our products are and on the other hand, you post on the Misinformation Network. That's back-stabbing which you of course don't see a problem with. I don't want any part of it or you. Therefore, as mentioned to you on the phone, take your future business elsewhere. Feel free to return the shafts for a full refund including shipping both ways even though it's been a year. I don't want you to feel "burned" and keep "unusable" shafts. If you called me then or now, my response would be the same; send them back for a refund. I rather refund you than have to deal with this childish nonsense.

Additionally, we do a huge annual business. We don't need to "burn" you or anyone over $400 or even $4000. You were offered a refund. Your "friend", the "cue maker", decided to keep them. Why? We have no idea. That rings so hollow that it is just not to be believed.

And to JoeyInCali who has something to say about everything and who probably averages 10 posts a day with currently almost 10,000 (and climbing) useless posts - here's another opportunity for you to make another useless post.

And to Bryan Fisher - sorry to have to reply in your thread but this post required a reply.

To all our good customers and friends, I apologize in advance that you have to listen to and read this crap.

Happy New Year to all.
 
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The Kurly One said:
Your link doesnt work... next time you post a comeback please make sure it works! Lol, lighten up guys...
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Thanks.
Just do a search on cuecomponents here.
They're really nice people.
 
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You Get What You Pay For ...

Bryan,
All I can say is I am still very happy with those 200 shafts blanks I bought from you. If you pay $6.00 you get $6.00 quality shaft wood. If you pay $20.00-$30.00 you'll get $20.00-$30.00quality shaft wood.
Kenny
RFisher said:
Yeah, this thread isn't about "JOES" shafts, there about the ones I sell, and I do have some for the $20-$30 range all of which are being bought by another cuemaker, The shafts that are being complained about are RANDOM $6 shafts, not hand picked shafts, if someone spends $8-20 per shaft, then they will be satisfied with the shafts 100%, if buying random $6 shafts, you get what you get, COMMON SENSE SHOULD PREVAIL ON THAT ONE. It's no ones buisness who buy's shafts from me, Kenny was very happy with his 200, did he get all "premium" shafts, NO, did he expect all premium? NO, I gave NIPPER the chance to have his choice on me picking them out, and instead of spending $2 more each, he just went with random, He's admitted to paying alot more to others, why wouldn't you spend the extra $2 and have piece of mind that you aren't taking chances on what you are getting?
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JoeyInCali said:
Thanks.
Just do a search on cuecomponents here.
They're really nice people.
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It worked yesterday shortly after you posted it. It looks like there was a search id in the url, maybe it expires after a while?
 
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