300game or 11racks in a row

[TheBook]

There are tons of bowlers that are lsited every week for having 300 games.

There was a challenge of $1,000,000. to anyone that broke and ran 11 racks in a row. Earl did it and did not collect the full million because the insurance policy was not paid. It is very hard to do.

Pool is definately harder.

 

[k-carson]

in bowling if a guy misses it has no real effect on the requirements of his opponent in exicuting his next throw

how many pros have ran ten or more racks at their practice table when
there was no impending need of playing a safety and going for it was no risk

there is no way to compare these apples and oranges

a major league pitcher throwing a perfect game may be a closer
comparison as there is another player waiting to capitalize on his mistake

 

[k-carson]

Now, let's spice things up a little bit. What if the pool player had ball-in-hand after every break? Which would be harder then?

in this situation if the pro players objective was to try and run 11 racks
instead of worrying about winning a match id say bowling a 300 would be harder

 

[StormHotRod300]

Ok, enough of my yelling, now all of you guys are missing the point, YES there are lots of 300's register'd everyweek in league play, but how many times do the PRO's throw a 300 while out in thier weekly PBA Tournament?

Now to kinda put this into perspetive, a league bowler is bowling on a very easy shot, basically comparable to a pro playing on a 7ft table.

Now while the shot maybe easier, the bowler still hasta hit the pocket, be fairly accurate and get lots of luck with the pins falling.

Its kinda the same way with putting a Pro pool player on a 7ft table. He isnt going to miss probably ever.

On the other hand, a pro bowler while still having the same lane dimensions, is bowling on a tougher oil pattern, that is alot less forgiving when you miss your mark, or a little off on your release or ball speed.

The same goes for the Pro Pool player on a 9ft triple shim, with some 860 cloth.

The Pro player is more usta that size table and cloth and pocket size, and his area of accuracy hasta be greater, than when playing on a 7ft table.

while his stroke and aiming are no different, he doesnt have the room for error like he did on a 7ft table.


now the mens tour would probably benifit from going back to winner breaks in the TV finals, and placing a prize for anyone who can run 9 or 11racks in a row. I know i would watch all the time.

 

[shawnNC]

I will say if the Pro Billiards went back to the old ways where guys were able to run racks and slap down a 6pack on someone, you might see 11racks run more often.

I think that's an awfully ignorant statement. Just as the bar is raised with athletes from one era to another, the same happens with pool. The advent of a lot of rules may make it harder to notice (ie one foul ball in hand).

Shawn

 

[bruin70]

Now, let's spice things up a little bit. What if the pool player had ball-in-hand after every break? Which would be harder then?

obviously it becomes much easier because you are eliminating THE most difficult part of running 11 in a row,,,,,,,,,,,,making a ball on the break with position on the first shot. so then the comparison becomes moot.

how many home runs can bonds hit if he were allowed to hit a Tball?,,,,,that's the unsteroided bonds

 

[Celtic]

Now, let's spice things up a little bit. What if the pool player had ball-in-hand after every break? Which would be harder then?

Does he have to make a legal break and make a ball on the break before he gets ball in hand? If not then the 11 racks would be easier but you are totally changing the whole game then. Lets let the bowler stand 3 feet away from the pins and throw the ball from there while we are at it.

Bowling a 300 is about as difficult as breaking 11 racks of 9-ball, making a ball on every break, not scratching on any of them, just the breaks and they are VERY similar if you are just talking the bowler going for strikes and the pool player going for legal break shots with making a ball.

I have indeed watched the PBA, it is not uncommon at all for bowlers to throw many many strikes in a row, 6+ strikes is almost mandatory to win a match, in 12 throws a top pro bowler will throw 10 strikes on average. Watching Norm Duke I have often seen him start a match with 8+ strikes, seen him bowl a 300 as well. A pool player winning the lag and then running 8 racks in a row without the other player getting out of their chair is EXTEMELY rare. A player will almost always get to shoot, they may not get to see a ball due to a safety, but the game is such that keeping your opponent off the table completely is almost impossible.

In 12 breaks a top pro pool player will average alot less then 10 runouts, closer to 6. The break and the unpredictability of that aspect of the game is just too much, on a successful throw of a bowling ball you get the X because the pins all fall, on a successful break you need to make a ball, not stratch, get a shot on the 1 ball, not get unlucky clusters of balls that force safety play, ect... there is ALOT more stuff that can go wrong in trying to run 11 racks.

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

I think that's an awfully ignorant statement. Just as the bar is raised with athletes from one era to another, the same happens with pool. The advent of a lot of rules may make it harder to notice (ie one foul ball in hand).

Shawn

I have to agree. Not only are we talking about a statistical difference, it's fairly obvious that there's a difference between running 11 racks and bowling 300. The fact is, SO MUCH as to go right in order to continue a run that is completely out of the control of the shooter. EVERY TIME the balls are broken, a unique problem is presented. That's simply not the case in bowling. In fact, it's probably more difficult to pick up 10 spares in a row than it is to throw 12 strikes.

I think you can simply look at any local league for observation. ANYONE who can run 11 racks is a world class professional and I mean ANYONE. Not everyone who has bowled a 300 is a professional. The average league player isn't going to stumble his way through 11 racks. Like I said in my previous post, I've been playing this game for 15 years AND I'VE NEVER SEEN IT! On the other hand, I'm certain I'd be witness to a 300 game within a couple of months hanging out watching the leagues.

 

[vapoolplayer]

I have to agree. Not only are we talking about a statistical difference, it's fairly obvious that there's a difference between running 11 racks and bowling 300. The fact is, SO MUCH as to go right in order to continue a run that is completely out of the control of the shooter. EVERY TIME the balls are broken, a unique problem is presented. That's simply not the case in bowling. In fact, it's probably more difficult to pick up 10 spares in a row than it is to throw 12 strikes.

I think you can simply look at any local league for observation. ANYONE who can run 11 racks is a world class professional and I mean ANYONE. Not everyone who has bowled a 300 is a professional. The average league player isn't going to stumble his way through 11 racks. Like I said in my previous post, I've been playing this game for 15 years AND I'VE NEVER SEEN IT! On the other hand, I'm certain I'd be witness to a 300 game within a couple of months hanging out watching the leagues.

i happened to be in a bowling alley that had a pool hall in the back, when some guy outside bowled back to back 300's.

like jude said, there are so many variables that come into play in pool that don't in bowling.

think about it, 11 racks is around 88 balls made numerically. (since at least one ball has to go on the break to continue the run, that leaves at least 8 balls per rack, that have to be run in order.) could be less if you're making more than one ball on the break.

thats rather sporty...........

VAP

 

[vapoolplayer]

I SWEAR IT NEVER SEEMS TO FAIL HOW STUPID AND SIMPLE MINDED YOU PEOPLE ARE!!!!!!!!


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this is coming from the same guy who made this comment in another thread:

I usta be the same way always using low english thinking it was the way to go. But after practicing using high english and left/right english have learn'd from my errors.

you don't even know the difference between a centerball hit and english/sidespin...........yet you want to call people idiots!!???

from your post here, and previous posts on this forum...........its obvious you don't know much about pool or much else else for that matter.....


VAP

 

[PoolBum]

Well, here's my question: What are the odds of running eleven racks in a row using a bowling ball?

 

[BlowFish]

Totally agree.....

I have to agree. Not only are we talking about a statistical difference, it's fairly obvious that there's a difference between running 11 racks and bowling 300. The fact is, SO MUCH as to go right in order to continue a run that is completely out of the control of the shooter. EVERY TIME the balls are broken, a unique problem is presented. That's simply not the case in bowling. In fact, it's probably more difficult to pick up 10 spares in a row than it is to throw 12 strikes.

I think you can simply look at any local league for observation. ANYONE who can run 11 racks is a world class professional and I mean ANYONE. Not everyone who has bowled a 300 is a professional. The average league player isn't going to stumble his way through 11 racks. Like I said in my previous post, I've been playing this game for 15 years AND I'VE NEVER SEEN IT! On the other hand, I'm certain I'd be witness to a 300 game within a couple of months hanging out watching the leagues.

I totally agree, the variables in pool are just too much to see an 11 racks run done as often as doing a 300 in bowling. Even if we have a winners break game, this is still very tough to achive.

 

[BlowFish]

None.....

Well, here's my question: What are the odds of running eleven racks in a row using a bowling ball?

Zero, nadda, nil......

 

[StormHotRod300]

Vap


So what i am some idiot because i said something on a post to someone who was asking about using low-english?

And who said i didnt know the difference between a centerhit, english and sidespin?

And if you wanna see how much i really know about bowling, we can always play for 100$ a game if you think bowling isnt that tough? and lets say bowling atleast 15games.


And do you not think that when this guy bowled back to back 300's alot of variables didnt come into play? like late falling pins or birddogs, or whatever it may be?

Just throwing the ball down the lane doesnt mean your going to strike.

 

[Bobby]

i happened to be in a bowling alley that had a pool hall in the back, when some guy outside bowled back to back 300's.

like jude said, there are so many variables that come into play in pool that don't in bowling.

think about it, 11 racks is around 88 balls made numerically. (since at least one ball has to go on the break to continue the run, that leaves at least 8 balls per rack, that have to be run in order.) could be less if you're making more than one ball on the break.

thats rather sporty...........

VAP

Before reading this thread I didn't realise just how
common a 300 game in bowling was. That back to back
300 games have happened really says it all. I would
wager that back to back 11 packs have never happened
and never will happen.

 

[SplicedPoints]

Vap


So what i am some idiot because i said something on a post to someone who was asking about using low-english?

And who said i didnt know the difference between a centerhit, english and sidespin?

And if you wanna see how much i really know about bowling, we can always play for 100$ a game if you think bowling isnt that tough? and lets say bowling atleast 15games.


And do you not think that when this guy bowled back to back 300's alot of variables didnt come into play? like late falling pins or birddogs, or whatever it may be?

Just throwing the ball down the lane doesnt mean your going to strike.

Saying all those things doesn't win you any single arguments. Knowing a lot about bowling doesn't make your statements any more realistic.

If you can, please list all the 'variables' that come into play in a controlled bowling environment. Does the pins shift in significant and random formation every single time you bowl? Do you have to hit the formation at different angles, speed, and spin eveyr time you try to go for a strike? Will the formation be shifted so that its IMPOSSIBLE for a bowler to bowl a strike?

I am not going to bash bowling for being an easy game. There are probably things about bowling that are indeed difficult to achieve. But to compare a 300 game to a 11 rack run is pretty ridiculous. Somebody else said it best. If you can run 11 racks in a roll legally, you're a top notch pro capable of winning any major tournament in the world. If you can bowl a 300, you're just another bowler who has bowled a 300.

 

[vapoolplayer]

Vap


So what i am some idiot because i said something on a post to someone who was asking about using low-english?

And who said i didnt know the difference between a centerhit, english and sidespin?
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ok jackass, why don't you explain to me the difference? the above quote shows you have no idea.

i'll make it easy for you, centerball hit: follow, stun(stop), draw

english is sidespin(since you separated them above, again i'm assuming you have no idea) left or righthand spin, used in CONJUCTION with follow, stun, and draw.

And if you wanna see how much i really know about bowling, we can always play for 100$ a game if you think bowling isnt that tough? and lets say bowling atleast 15games.


And do you not think that when this guy bowled back to back 300's alot of variables didnt come into play? like late falling pins or birddogs, or whatever it may be?

Just throwing the ball down the lane doesnt mean your going to strike.

well here's were you REALLY start looking stupid........



if you READ the quote of your's i posted, you obviously don't know the difference between sidespin and a centerball hit.

if you READ my post, you'd realize that i NEVER said anything about your knowledge of bowing..........i also NEVER said bowing isn't tough.........hell i NEVER said anything other than the fact that the 11 racks in 9 ball was harder.

the MAIN point of my post was to point out that you're here calling people idiots when you don't even have the basic knowledge of a beginner when it comes to pool.

next time READ the post idiot, before you start challenging people.

oh, and i'll bowl the 15 games for 100 a game with you, so long as we play an 8 ahead set 9 ball for AT LEAST twice that.

VAP

 

[StormHotRod300]

If you really want to know all the variables that come into play in a controlled bowling environment, i will list them: Humidity, Heat, Cold, type of oil used on the lanes, even the ball that is being used, how many people is bowling on your pair of lanes, the # of games bowled on the lanes, And yes the speed of the ball is a factor, angle of entry into the pocket. Even coverstock of the ball IE: Particle, PArticle Pearl, Reactive Resin, Urethane, Plastic, Pro-Active, Reactive Urethane. Even if the ball is polished or sanded.

Other things that are a factor, sometimes you have a back rack, pins are offset by maybe 1/2inch. Maybe the lanes are wood or synthetic, or wood and synthetic.

And who ever said i didnt know what a centerhit is? or stun or draw, or sidespin? I have known what all those things are for years.

Also if you go back to my opening post, this whole thing was based upon Pro pool players and Pro Bowlers and the conditions they face. Not comparing a Pro pool player and some league bowler.

And last, so why would we hafta play 8ahead sets in 9ball for twice the amount? is that so you can win your money back and claim some kinda victory over little ole me? And i will take that bet, if i am allowed a designated breaker/coach

 

[vapoolplayer]

And who ever said i didnt know what a centerhit is? or stun or draw, or sidespin? I have known what all those things are for years.

And i will take that bet, if i am allowed a designated breaker/coach

helloooooo dumbass...........centerball OR stun, OR, draw...........its the same thing.........earth to stormhotrod..........

a designated breaker and coach? wtf man, is someone typing this post for you too???

VAP

 

[SplicedPoints]

If you really want to know all the variables that come into play in a controlled bowling environment, i will list them: Humidity, Heat, Cold, type of oil used on the lanes, even the ball that is being used, how many people is bowling on your pair of lanes, the # of games bowled on the lanes, And yes the speed of the ball is a factor, angle of entry into the pocket. Even coverstock of the ball IE: Particle, PArticle Pearl, Reactive Resin, Urethane, Plastic, Pro-Active, Reactive Urethane. Even if the ball is polished or sanded.

Other things that are a factor, sometimes you have a back rack, pins are offset by maybe 1/2inch. Maybe the lanes are wood or synthetic, or wood and synthetic.

Also if you go back to my opening post, this whole thing was based upon Pro pool players and Pro Bowlers and the conditions they face. Not comparing a Pro pool player and some league bowler.

All those variables change from lane to lane or bowling alley to bowling alley. However, i don't think they constantly change that significantly during the course of the 11 strikes. Compare that to 11 racks where every rack could be significatly different. I would bet the pros use the same ball with the exact same weight and 'coverstock' every single time they bowl. The number of people who've bowled on your lane and its usage does make it harder if you want to bowl a 300 at a new lane you've never been to, but doesn't matter if you're bowling at the place where you're comfortable at. That's the same for pool. Every table plays different. Humidity and stuff like that also factors into pool, so that's nothing new. The speed and angle undoubtly plays the crucial role in bowling. But it seems like the pros seem to stick with the 1 speed and 1 angle they've found to work for the particular lane, so they aren't changing their speed and angle that dramatically during the 11 bowls. The truth is that pool has way more changing variables than bowling. On top of the environmental facotrs (table felt, humidity, temperature, rubber, etc), you have the balls landing at significantly varied spots every time you break, requiring you to play significatly varied types of shots, at significatly different speed and spin. Moreover, there is the possibility of tables forming where you have no way of running out. The same can't be said of throwing strikes.

If you're only comparing pros to pros, the same fact remains. How many times have you heard or seen a pro bowl a 300? How many times has a legal 11 straight rack run been done in tournament play? I would bet there are still far more 300s been bowled than 11 racks been run.