314, a review

If you need a refrence for who uses the shafts and who doesn't, there is a article in BD last month about New York players and their gear. All but two use our shaft, that is strong. The pros use our shaft because they want to. I am sure that that any top 40 pro could get a shaft from anyone that they wanted, and they did.
 
drivermaker said:
Predator shaft usage with pro's comes and goes through experimentation just like anyone else. It seems like when a pro even so much as plays with one or plays with it in a couple of tournaments, their name goes on the permanent playing list of current and ongoing users. It's bullshit. I'd say Celtic is correct in saying that it might not even be 20%.
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Do you have numbers to back this up with, thats a strong accusation? I am kind of curious as to your history, are you a pro? what do you shoot with? How long have you been playing and how good of a player are you?
 
You Predator bashers should play Rocky some.
Looks like he's challenging you guys.
Drivermaker, get in stroke buddy. lol
 
rocky said:
If you need a refrence for who uses the shafts and who doesn't, there is a article in BD last month about New York players and their gear. All but two use our shaft, that is strong. The pros use our shaft because they want to. I am sure that that any top 40 pro could get a shaft from anyone that they wanted, and they did.
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I don't need a reference. The BD article last month was a very small sampling of players and the #'s were coincidental. I wouldn't have put much faith in it had it been the other way around either, too few people. To help you out, I'll even post the names here. Who cares......

Jean Balukas - Predator 9-6 / Break cue- Pete Tascarella / Tip - LePro

Tony Robles - Predator 2K-1 18.5 oz. (is he a Predator employee?)/ Break Cue- Bunjee Jumper / Tip - LePro

Tiffany Nelson - Layani 18 oz. / Break Cue - Layani w/tiger med. tip. / Tip - Tiger Sniper (playing cue)

Romona Dokovic - Schon 19 oz. / Schon & Predator shaft / Break Cue - Predator / Jump/ Break Cue - Sledgehammer / Jump Cue - Robin Dodson Frog /
Tip - Moori med.

Gina Kim-Lipsky - Schon custom 17.5 oz./ Shaft - Schon / Break Cue - Predator BK 18 oz. / Tip - Moori med.

Gerda Hofstatter - Predator P-2 w/z shaft / Tip - moori med (where has she been)?

Jenniffer Barretta - Meucci Cameo 19 oz. / Predator shaft / Break Cue - Predator BK / Jump Cue - Bunjee jumper

Steve Lipsky - Lambros Custom 20.6 oz / Shaft - Lambros/ Break Cue - Sledgehammer /
Tip - Moori soft

Kim Shaw - Paul Fanelli less than 16 oz. and 53" long / Predator shaft/
Break Cue - Paul Fanelli / Tip - Chandivert soft (nothing normal here)

Danny Barouty - Schon Custom 19 oz. / Shaft - Schon / Tip - Moori med.

That's 10 whole players and one is retired. Too small a sampling. And to show how the numbers get skewed and lies begin and end with Predator, which you're a part of, you said "ALL BUT 2 USE OUR SHAFT". Count again like Trigger used to count by tapping his hoof on the ground. It's an even split. In this case, it would be 50% but it doesn't work that way when you take in all the pro's in all the tours. When I count to 3 I'm going to snap my fingers and you'll wake up from your deep sleep through hypnosis........one.....two.......threeeeeeeee...........................
 
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Do you have numbers to back this up with, thats a strong accusation? I am kind of curious as to your history, are you a pro? what do you shoot with? How long have you been playing and how good of a player are you?
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That's an accusation??? That's as good a guess as any and Celtic came up with it first and I concur. So what's 50%, the so called numbers that Predator came up with and can back up??? Let me tell you...it's a bold faced out and out scamming ass lie!!!!

Are you really that illiterate with a reading comprehension problem? I said how long I've been playing right on this thread and I've given my speed elsewhere. If you can't read, that's not my fault. I really don't give a shit how good a player you are. You can have the 8 and out on a 9 footer all day long, any day of the week. My understanding is that most of your play is on a bar box and pretty lousy at that. God only knows what it would be like without that Predator.
 
drivermaker said:
You can have the 8 and out on a 9 footer all day long, any day of the week. My understanding is that most of your play is on a bar box and pretty lousy at that. God only knows what it would be like without that Predator.
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So what your saying is that a predator shaft makes you a better player? :p

Everybody has their likes and dislikes about equipment. So what is the big deal if I shoot with a Predator, my original Joss shaft or a 2x4? I like the action I get out of it and that is all that matters. If someone else would like to experience the same action then they have the choice to go buy one. I merely was documenting my experience.

Yes, you and I were trained by the same individual. And because I wish to try something new does not mean that I drop using Hals systems. 9/16 or an 1 1/8 is still 9/16ths or an 1 1/8 whether I am aiming at it with my joss shaft or a predator. I promise to post in six months and we will see if I still feel the same way.

Johnny "V"
 
Johnny "V" said:
So what your saying is that a predator shaft makes you a better player? :p

Yes, you and I were trained by the same individual. And because I wish to try something new does not mean that I drop using Hals systems. 9/16 or an 1 1/8 is still 9/16ths or an 1 1/8 whether I am aiming at it with my joss shaft or a predator. I promise to post in six months and we will see if I still feel the same way.
Johnny "V"
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No, I'm not saying that at all, it can be interpreted either way. I should have reworded it. Shudder to think someone might have gotten the wrong impression. :eek:

You might be aiming at it the same way with a Joss or a Predator but it's not going to REACT the same way. Here are your words in your opening post:
"I agree that it can take some getting used to. Most of the time I would use the backhand english method of applying spin to the cue ball the first couple of times I did that I was pushing the cueball in the direction I was spinning it".
Do you remember those words? It takes more adjusting than you realize at this point. When you get into the heat of battle, the tendency is always to revert back to what you're used to. You might find some difficulties.

All I can say is be aware of what's happening on the table and carefully watch what the balls are doing, CB and OB's. It's not the same. Is it better or worse...that's for you to decide and only time will tell. Good luck.
 
Danny 314 said:
Can anyone guess what I like???
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If naming yourself after what you like is where it's at as you have, you'll become my hero/idol and gain my full respect is you change your name to
"SNATCH". It still fits the criteria, doesn't it?
 
drivermaker said:
If naming yourself after what you like is where it's at as you have, you'll become my hero/idol and gain my full respect is you change your name to
"SNATCH". It still fits the criteria, doesn't it?
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LMAO :D

Being pool players, we are all expose to the bar life and bar humor... I could add to Drivermakers joke, but do to kids being on the forum, I don't know if I want to open that can of worms. I am still a newbie anyhow. ;)
 
drivermaker said:
Hey...BigJon...tell me if I missed anything here or I'm pretty much on the mark

The Stages Of A Predator

#1. I think I'm gonna git me one o' those them thar Predators everybody
been talkin' so much about...man, they be kinda expensive tho...I hopes
I like it and can whup some ass for a change tha's been whuppin' on
mine. All dem other dudes say those things shoot pretty good....

#2. Dang....got my Predator in just a few days ago and whooooeeeee....I
ain't a shittin' when I says I can knock d'em balls in from all over da
place....I sets my cue ball up in da middle of da table and put a ball 4"
from da corner pocket straight in and I almost ripped da back of da
pocket out right from da frame. D'at cue ball was just spinnin' like a
movafuk...I tried a draw shot on this one ball and d'at cue ball came
spinnin' back so quick, hard, and straight d'at before I could get my
stick out of the way d'at cue ball come rollin' right back up my stick, up
my hand and arm and rolled over my damn shoulder and got position on
my next ball at the other end....d'is sumbitch is unreal!! SPIN...man, you
wanna talk 'bout spin...d'is mova hits those cushions like you be workin' a
pinball machine rackin' up a thousand points a second....dingdingding
dingdingding dingdingdingding dingdingdingding

#3. I got's to tell the WORLD to buy one of d'ese movafuka's...let's see, I'll
go on AZ, RSB, CCB, BD, P&B, InsidePool, and start threads and turn
EVERYBODY on to buyin' one....hot damn, I'm gonna whup some ass
today, in just three weeks I be gone from a 2 to a 5 in my league. I do
shit wit da cue ball now d'at I ain't NEVER done befo!

#4. (4months down the road) Man....I don't know wha's been happenin' but
I be gittin' my ass whupped agin and missin' easy cuts...seems like da
cue ball be throwin' the shit out of da object ball. Some how my cue
doesn't feel right...seems like all the weight is in da back part of da butt
or sumpin'. Kinda feels like da hit is dead...I wonder if my case fell over
and my shaft got damaged.....

#5. Man...my damn game has gone downhill...I don't know what da fuk is
goin' on. I think I'll try one of my other old shafts agin or my buddy's
new Schon tonight when we go out...he's da one d'ats been whuppin'
up on my ass big time....

#6. Dang...my ol' shaft feels GREAT! And d'at new Schon d'at my buddy has
feels so good I done ordered one for myself...it's funny how I can really
feel the cue ball agin commin' off of da tip...it feels like I have so much
sensitivity in my fingers agin d'at I'm goin to enroll in Med School and
become a gynocologist...I been tellin' all da women at da bar d'at I was
one for years anyway, now I can really BE one. But, back to pool...I can
git shape now like I haven't been able to since...I don't know when. Hey
come to think of it...it was right before I got that muvafukin' Predator.
Well....I ain't sayin' shit on the forums...all of dem assholes that I got
into flame wars wit are jus gonna say "HAHA....I told you so", and I don't
wanna hear any of d'at crap no mo!!! FUK!!!!!!!!!!! Why'd I spend all
d'at good money on d'at sumbitch to begin wit??!! FUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well you missed the mark on one thing...

(Playing a guy with a regular cue 7-Ahead for $5,000)
Dam, i missed again, there he goes, oh shit he just ran a 6 pack... oh man and now on the break, (Snaps shaft) STUPID SHAFT, WHY DID I BUY INTO THE LIES?!?!?!?!?!?!?!...

Aside from missing that, you were pretty much dead on...
I've heard about Rocky, lol.
I don't know your speed, but i'm sure you could give him the last 3 (or 4) lol... Go get 'em, and if he loses, he has to quit predator, and buy a real shaft...

Thanks,

Jon
 
drivermaker said:
I don't need a reference. The BD article last month was a very small sampling of players and the #'s were coincidental. I wouldn't have put much faith in it had it been the other way around either, too few people. To help you out, I'll even post the names here. Who cares...... blah blah blah..........................
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To Rocky:

Wow, that is alot of people who use the Preadator BK and shoot with something different then Predator. You really showed me.... errr oh wait, no, you didn't. That is actually what I said. The Predator BK is an awesome break cue and I will go on record saying that here. You should almost give me one, then you can put me on the list and thank me for the fact 10 people will probably buy Pred BK's since they are reading posts by a person that think Predator cues are not great shooting cues but make some of the best break cues anywhere. I know tons of people who break with predator cues and shoot with something else. This does not surprise me.
 
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For Old Time Sake

drivermaker said:
Hey...BigJon...tell me if I missed anything here or I'm pretty much on the mark

The Stages Of A Predator

#1. I think I'm gonna git me one o' those them thar Predators everybody
been talkin' so much about...man, they be kinda expensive tho...I hopes
I like it and can whup some ass for a change tha's been whuppin' on
mine. All dem other dudes say those things shoot pretty good....

#2. Dang....got my Predator in just a few days ago and whooooeeeee....I
ain't a shittin' when I says I can knock d'em balls in from all over da
place....I sets my cue ball up in da middle of da table and put a ball 4"
from da corner pocket straight in and I almost ripped da back of da
pocket out right from da frame. D'at cue ball was just spinnin' like a
movafuk...I tried a draw shot on this one ball and d'at cue ball came
spinnin' back so quick, hard, and straight d'at before I could get my
stick out of the way d'at cue ball come rollin' right back up my stick, up
my hand and arm and rolled over my damn shoulder and got position on
my next ball at the other end....d'is sumbitch is unreal!! SPIN...man, you
wanna talk 'bout spin...d'is mova hits those cushions like you be workin' a
pinball machine rackin' up a thousand points a second....dingdingding
dingdingding dingdingdingding dingdingdingding

#3. I got's to tell the WORLD to buy one of d'ese movafuka's...let's see, I'll
go on AZ, RSB, CCB, BD, P&B, InsidePool, and start threads and turn
EVERYBODY on to buyin' one....hot damn, I'm gonna whup some ass
today, in just three weeks I be gone from a 2 to a 5 in my league. I do
shit wit da cue ball now d'at I ain't NEVER done befo!

#4. (4months down the road) Man....I don't know wha's been happenin' but
I be gittin' my ass whupped agin and missin' easy cuts...seems like da
cue ball be throwin' the shit out of da object ball. Some how my cue
doesn't feel right...seems like all the weight is in da back part of da butt
or sumpin'. Kinda feels like da hit is dead...I wonder if my case fell over
and my shaft got damaged.....

#5. Man...my damn game has gone downhill...I don't know what da fuk is
goin' on. I think I'll try one of my other old shafts agin or my buddy's
new Schon tonight when we go out...he's da one d'ats been whuppin'
up on my ass big time....

#6. Dang...my ol' shaft feels GREAT! And d'at new Schon d'at my buddy has
feels so good I done ordered one for myself...it's funny how I can really
feel the cue ball agin commin' off of da tip...it feels like I have so much
sensitivity in my fingers agin d'at I'm goin to enroll in Med School and
become a gynocologist...I been tellin' all da women at da bar d'at I was
one for years anyway, now I can really BE one. But, back to pool...I can
git shape now like I haven't been able to since...I don't know when. Hey
come to think of it...it was right before I got that muvafukin' Predator.
Well....I ain't sayin' shit on the forums...all of dem assholes that I got
into flame wars wit are jus gonna say "HAHA....I told you so", and I don't
wanna hear any of d'at crap no mo!!! FUK!!!!!!!!!!! Why'd I spend all
d'at good money on d'at sumbitch to begin wit??!! FUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nothing fun on the current threads, so I went fishing the way-back machine. Now DAMN, THIS is funny!! :D
Scott
 
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ScottR said:
Nothing fun on the current threads, so I went fishing the way-back machine. Now DAMN, THIS is funny!! :D
Scott
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Hell Scott...I forgot about even doing it...that was funny...I feel like a shell of the man I once was when younger. Don't think I have it any more... :D :cool:
 
DM. Your original post is one of the funniest I've ever read. Today is definately your day to put a smile on my face.
I switched from a stiff Bender to a Predator 2 over a year ago. All I can say is, my big table game has fallen off some and I can't help but think the cue has some small part in that. The cue really is pretty darn good with the weighted bar ball though. Over a year later and I'm still trying to figure out how to hit/aim certain shots. Certainly not easy to master.
I'm pretty confused when you say "backhand english". Please give me the cliff-notes version of what this means. Thanks
 
dogginda9 said:
DM . . . . I'm pretty confused when you say "backhand english". Please give me the cliff-notes version of what this means. Thanks
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Ohhh, you don't want that. The price of that knowledge is WAAAAYYYYY too high! :p
Scott
 
ScottR said:
Ohhh, you don't want that. The price of that knowledge is WAAAAYYYYY too high! :p
Scott
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Sorry dog...but it's what the man said.... :D :D

BTW...in all seriousness, backhand doesn't work for shit with a Predator. Don't even go there. You gotta go back to a regular shaft of some kind.
 
drivermaker said:
NO 50% of the pro's DON'T use Predator cues!!! You've fallen hook, line, and sinker for their written hyped up propaganda. Many use the break cue and there's no reason why they shouldn't since they've been given away to them, and it's a pretty decent break cue. But, THAT doesn't count toward total usage of playing cues.
If you really believe it and wish to prove otherwise, go down the list of all the biggest names in pool on all the tours and provide your OWN list and it's not even close. Let me say it again...it's not even close to 50%. I can go to their published list right now and pick out many that are on there NOT using a Predator cue or shaft for playing.

As you stated, they are pretty good for something. I'll give you 3 guesses.
HINT: (not pool related)
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not saying they are good or bad but paguylyan (sp?) and basavich popped right in mind.
 
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