3x8-10 modified pin

Flakeandrun

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So, I had a good hour or two researching this pin on the forum last night. I already knew it was a bit of a pig, but also in some cases not... but learned a big lesson about paying 'due diligence' yesterday, and wish I did the research before, as I assumed the modified 3x8-10 would be pretty easy to accommodate. Here it seems it is quite complicated to find, and most custom makers here seem to be using 3x8-11 from what I can ascertain (Zen Custom style pin). I asked many sellers on the buying platform, but language barrier made this hard to truly explain (they refer to pins using different terminology and it doesn't really make sense in translation)

Anyway, the reason I put a bit of time into researching last night was because I drove an hour in a taxi to meet someone to try a shaft out yesterday (Musashi ACCS M) to use on a Larry Vigas custom I picked up, as I want to keep the two shafts it came with fresh and nice. The shaft was listed as 3x8-10, which it may well have been, but it wasn't correct fit to the modified pin... :ROFLMAO: I even asked Larry previously, and thought I'd clued myself in enough about what I was looking for... apparently not...

Luckily, time was not wasted. Made a new friend and found a new spot to play, which was saving grace of the day! Paid for the light fee, as I felt bad for wasting the guys time.

I went home, and spent some time searching the forum... lots of half complete threads on this topic... I think @garczar had posted a link to Dzuricky website that was the saviour for me. I was able to screen shot the image, and send this along with a picture of my pin (edited the picture to show the thread count... as a couple friends were determined to tell me it must be 3x8-11 still...:rolleyes:)

After the research, I shared what I learned with the guy I met to explain why I'd made a mistake, and why his shaft didn't work for me... and he really helped me out big time! He put me in touch with a guy who can re-tap some existing shafts that I have to the correct thread - but also someone with some shafts that can be used (will pick up a Musashi VI 'made for a McWorter' which matches the pin, and also a Fuhjin, made by KUH as a LD shaft to try out). So, I likely won't ever have to look for a shaft again. People here in Shanghai are often so helpful and friendly.

Give me my one piece snooker cue anyway of the week... buying a snooker cue will be like buying glasses to me. Remember my prescription and ask for that... buying a pool cue is a whole other beast. Glad to have my forever cue done and dusted. Glad to have my Mezz as a backup.

Anyway, point is... Do the couple hours of research first people! :)
 
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TL;DR

3/8x10 is one of the most common pins used, with 3/8x10 modified being rarer, but both are interchangeable if shafts are tapped correctly and property length. 3/8x11 is even more rare.
 
I have an OB butt with 3/8x10 modified pin. Its shaft fits onto my mcdermott butt (regular 3/8x10), but the mcdermott shaft would not fit the OB. A local cuemaker tapped the mcdermott shaft for me and now it fits both cue butts perfectly. Took him just a few minutes to do.
 
TL;DR

3/8x10 is one of the most common pins used, with 3/8x10 modified being rarer, but both are interchangeable if shafts are tapped correctly and property length. 3/8x11 is even more rare.
Yes, I know that it's a common pin for the most part. But seems that 3x8/10 isn't actually as common here. Many custom makers here are using 3/8x11 to accommodate the variety of Zen shafts available, and market their own (as many makers here can produce carbon, LD, tech ETC)

I tried searching for some OB shafts here @skiergd011013 - but most on the buying platform are the laminated 60 piece shaft. Laminated shafts make me feel queasy... haha - Pro, Pro+ etc etc other OB shafts are harder to come by here - although many friends have them, assuming when they were more easily available to buy.

I looked at a few shaft options. I tried a couple of friends predator shafts that wouldn't fit. Tried a friends McDermott out of curiosity, even though I know that's the 'standard' 3/8x10... obviously didn't fit. Tried a friends Tiger... which I really thought would fit, based on what I had read here once before, but seemed to need a little force, and wasn't about to ruin my friends shaft.

This is why I went on the 'hunt' on buying platforms, and organised to go out of my way to meet the guy in the first place.
 
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Yes, I know that it's a common pin for the most part. But seems that 3x8/10 isn't actually as common here. Many custom makers here are using 3/8x11 to accommodate the variety of Zen shafts available, and market their own (as many makers here can produce carbon, LD, tech ETC)

I tried searching for some OB shafts here @skiergd011013 - but most on the buying platform are the laminated 60 piece shaft. Pro, Pro+ etc etc other OB shafts are harder to come by here. I looked at a few options. I tried a couple of friends predator shafts that wouldn't fit. Tried a friends McDermott out of curiosity, even though I know that's the 'standard' 3/8x10... obviously didn't fit. Tried a friends Tiger... which I really thought would fit, based on what I had read here once before, but seemed to need a little force, and wasn't about to ruin my friends shaft.
the mcdermott shafts will need to be retapped by a cue guy to make it work. I have a G-core mcdermott shaft that now fits my OB. The g-core is a nice shaft. Or you could just order one and ask them to do the modified thread for you. Any major cue maker can do this easily.
 
the mcdermott shafts will need to be retapped by a cue guy to make it work. I have a G-core mcdermott shaft that now fits my OB. The g-core is a nice shaft. Or you could just order one and ask them to do the modified thread for you. Any major cue maker can do this easily.
Yeah, complicated and time consuming from China (otherwise I most certainly would do that). Trying to explain to friends via. translation regarding thread sizes is an exercise in patience... Can literally send them a photo of a modified pin, and they will tell you outright it's '11 teeth' - even when you send a picture that you have edited to mark each thread on the pin :ROFLMAO:

Happy with the Musashi VI that is coming my way, and the Fuhjin by KUH, as it looks a fine shaft too which I look forward to try. Both good prices. The seller I was recommended to actually does a lot of trade between here and Japan, and was a great/knowledgeable guy to work with. Sent me videos of the shafts paired with the right pin. Understood my frustrations. I purchased an ILC hard maple shaft for my Mezz cue from him previously which was also wonderful.

Will send him a Mezz Hybrid Pro ii which he will convert for me also. So thanking the pool Gods I won't ever have to buy another shaft :)

So, Vigas is my baby, and Mezz is my spare. With enough shafts to never have to sift through the nonsense advertising/branding that exists in pool again :ROFLMAO:
 
So, I had a good hour or two researching this pin on the forum last night. I already knew it was a bit of a pig, but also in some cases not... but learned a big lesson about paying 'due diligence' yesterday, and wish I did the research before, as I assumed the modified 3x8-10 would be pretty easy to accommodate. Here it seems it is quite complicated to find, and most custom makers here seem to be using 3x8-11 from what I can ascertain (Zen Custom style pin). I asked many sellers on the buying platform, but language barrier made this hard to truly explain (they refer to pins using different terminology and it doesn't really make sense in translation)

Anyway, the reason I put a bit of time into researching last night was because I drove an hour in a taxi to meet someone to try a shaft out yesterday (Musashi ACCS M) to use on a Larry Vigas custom I picked up, as I want to keep the two shafts it came with fresh and nice. The shaft was listed as 3x8-10, which it may well have been, but it wasn't correct fit to the modified pin... :ROFLMAO: I even asked Larry previously, and thought I'd clued myself in enough about what I was looking for... apparently not...

Luckily, time was not wasted. Made a new friend and found a new spot to play, which was saving grace of the day! Paid for the light fee, as I felt bad for wasting the guys time.

I went home, and spent some time searching the forum... lots of half complete threads on this topic... I think @garczar had posted a link to Dzuricky website that was the saviour for me. I was able to screen shot the image, and send this along with a picture of my pin (edited the picture to show the thread count... as a couple friends were determined to tell me it must be 3x8-11 still...:rolleyes:)

After the research, I shared what I learned with the guy I met to explain why I'd made a mistake, and why his shaft didn't work for me... and he really helped me out big time! He put me in touch with a guy who can re-tap some existing shafts I have to the correct thread - but also someone with some shafts that can be used (will pick up a Musashi VI 'made for a McWorter' which matches the pin, and also a Fuhjin, made by KUH as a LD shaft to try out). So, I likely won't ever have to look for a shaft again. People here in Shanghai are often so helpful and friendly.

Give me my one piece snooker cue anyway of the week... buying a snooker cue will be like buying glasses to me. Remember my prescription and ask for that... buying a pool cue is a whole other beast. Glad to have my forever cue done and dusted. Glad to have my Mezz as a backup.

Anyway, point is... Do the couple hours of research first people! :)
Know a ADAM dealer that will ship internationally?
 
I know someone selling ILC/9hearts internationally - I am sure I can find an Adam dealer (or possibly help you myself if you are looking for something specifically :) )
I know someone i just was looking for another. Might want a 'bushka style Musashi if i win the lottery. Only way i could afford one.
 
I know someone i just was looking for another. Might want a 'bushka style Musashi if i win the lottery. Only way i could afford one.
I'll be in Japan in December, if there is anything you want, welcome to ping me the information, and I will see what I can do. I can also ask some friends here about ADAM suppliers that will ship internationally for you.
 
Too much to read but you can fit a normal one with a modify one
Most of the time. Sometimes a little DIY 'know how' is required.

It's ok if you didn't read, posted for extra info, and to help anyone else who might have the same problem down the line. As I mentioned, I spent a long time searching the forum yesterday, and found it only semi-useful. So was describing my experience and hoping to help anyone else clean up some misconceptions later down the line.
 
A search of the forums will produce lots of information about 3/8x10 vs 3/8x10 modified and varying McDermott 3/8x10 pins. Lots of information and too much to try and type now.


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A search of the forums will produce lots of information about 3/8x10 vs 3/8x10 modified and varying McDermott 3/8x10 pins. Lots of information and too much to try and type now.


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I did search it quite vigorously, but still found it confusing, hence the post :)
Don't worry about typing it out. I am sorted now.

This is just a reminder for people to be vigilant about their expectations. Not all 3/8x10 are equal, also buying in Asia presents it's challenges :)
 
I did search it quite vigorously, but still found it confusing, hence the post :)
Don't worry about typing it out. I am sorted now.

This is just a reminder for people to be vigilant about their expectations. Not all 3/8x10 are equal, also buying in Asia presents it's challenges :)

Asian buyer here, yes the impurities and distillations to cut costs lower quality control.

Also be wary of biological items.
 
Asian buyer here, yes the impurities and distillations to cut costs lower quality control.

Also be wary of biological items.
Yeah, nothing to do with that. Just that thread size terminology is different. As is the 'generic' Joint pin used.
 
TL;DR10

3/8x10 is one of the most common pins used, with 3/8x10 modified being rarer, but both are interchangeable if shafts are tapped correctly and property length. 3/8x11 is even more rare.
The modified 3/8 10 is now the most common screw used by custom cuemakers.
It's minor is .308". Much fatter than regular v-thread 3/8 10 which has .280-290 minor.
 
My main shaft for 4+ years was from a cue with the modified pin, and I used it on a cue with the standard/older pin, and never had any issues with it.
 
This picture tells it all. And I think it shows the advantages of a modified pin. But I am not a cue builder.

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This picture tells it all. And I think it shows the advantages of a modified pin. But I am not a cue builder.

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This was the image that saved me a lot of head scratching actually. I found this in another post.

Think I have sourced two shafts that should mean I never have to buy another again haha - will keep the two Vigas shafts relatively minty.

Picked up a Musashi VI, and a KUH Fuhjin in the correct pin from the same guy. Waiting for the delivery.

In Chinese, the name of this pin translates in a weird way... They refer to pins in a relatively unusual way in my opinion... It is also not a common pin here - and furthermore, not all standard 3/8x10 shafts are compatible without a little 'help' sometimes (Musashi 3/8x10 is a definitive no. Many standard pin shafts wouldn't work - notably Predator, McDermott and a couple of Chinese branded)

In the end I just asked the guy I know if he had any American Custom cues, he said yes, then I asked him to show me, and after a couple that were not the correct pin, he found his McWorter - His McWorter had the same pin, then he kept referring to this pin after that as 'the McWorter pin' haha

As previously mentioned here, seems in Asia (china at least), many custom Cuemakers are using 3/8x11 to accommodate the variety of Zen shafts available - a company that is held in very high regard here (Taiwanese I believe).

So the commonality of the 3/8x10 (.308) I'd read about was one thing that swayed me to pick it up (besides it's overwhelming beauty and hit) - just turns out that the commonality is a region specific thing :)
 
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