Karl should do a "what's in the bag" video with you.
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Karl should do a "what's in the bag" video with you.
Looks like you have Olhausen type angles into the pockets - which - if you touch the outer pocket point on a rail shot the ball almost never goes regardless of ball speed. Those pockets favor undercut rail shots at slow speeds.I was checking yo see if anyone was paying attention.
Yes, a protractor measurement to determine an accurate pocket facing angle may be even more of an indication of how hard / easy your pockets play than the pocket mouth measurement, especially for shots down the rail. Any PFA more than 142° will play extremely tough on shots down the rail, even on 5 inch pockets.
Protractor . . . measuring tape . . . I'm gonna need a bigger bag.
Might be easier to just bring your own rails.
First of all, sorry how dirty my table is but right now it's a junk storage area and needs re-clothed. It's embarrassing but I'm doing an early spring cleaning.
Mike, I'm interested in your opinions on this little story below.
Really interesting that you mentioned the cut of the pocket. This was the action table #5 from the Tulsa Billiard Palace. People from back then know about the reputation of this table. It has seen a bunch of big matches, i,e, Matlock, Harriman, Walden, Buddy, Stevens, Christopher, etc. etc. Back in the early 2000's they changed out all those GC-II for new tables, I want to say Diamonds but not sure. Me and a buddy drove up from Houston and bought the last two tables. All the tables the sub rails were extended by Jack Shurtz. And all of these tables were beautifully restored by Jack.
When I bought it I had all the brightworks refinished. Castings buffed, polished and then plated with electroless nickel as not to make them too shiny, but more like a satin finish. Electroless nickel is an industrial strength plating and has held up very well over the last 20 years. All of the other metal except the rail trims were buffed, polished and chromed.
The pocket I took that photo is the pocket #6 in golf. Or the pocket most right handed players break to in one pocket. It is in fact one of the most brutal pockets I'v e ever played on. Players from that era in Tulsa have said it was an intentionally gaffed up pocket. It spits balls out all the time.
I've taken a new set of photos of each corner pocket numbered as the golf pocket with the ball, either 1, 3, 4 or 6. 6 is the pocket in questions. You can see they are all different sizes and cuts. I love this table because of that. And if I'm being honest, I've kept this crappy cloth because it makes this table plays very tough and requires a pretty good stroke. Some of my friends are more modern perfectionist type players that want everything to be perfectly zen who usually drill me on perfect equipment. But when they come over I'm favored because they hate playing on this table. In a couple hours they usually lose their minds and pay up!!
Hopefully they don't read this post and find out about the gaffed pockets.
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You do know Diamond doesn’t use point to point for their pocket measurement
Or basic geometry to verify their rail rebound angles.You do know Diamond doesn’t use point to point for their pocket measurement
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First of all, sorry how dirty my table is but right now it's a junk storage area and needs re-clothed. It's embarrassing but I'm doing an early spring cleaning.
Mike, I'm interested in your opinions on this little story below.
Really interesting that you mentioned the cut of the pocket. This was the action table #5 from the Tulsa Billiard Palace. People from back then know about the reputation of this table. It has seen a bunch of big matches, i,e, Matlock, Harriman, Walden, Buddy, Stevens, Christopher, etc. etc. Back in the early 2000's they changed out all those GC-II for new tables, I want to say Diamonds but not sure. Me and a buddy drove up from Houston and bought the last two tables. All the tables the sub rails were extended by Jack Shurtz. And all of these tables were beautifully restored by Jack.
When I bought it I had all the brightworks refinished. Castings buffed, polished and then plated with electroless nickel as not to make them too shiny, but more like a satin finish. Electroless nickel is an industrial strength plating and has held up very well over the last 20 years. All of the other metal except the rail trims were buffed, polished and chromed.
The pocket I took that photo is the pocket #6 in golf. Or the pocket most right handed players break to in one pocket. It is in fact one of the most brutal pockets I'v e ever played on. Players from that era in Tulsa have said it was an intentionally gaffed up pocket. It spits balls out all the time.
I've taken a new set of photos of each corner pocket numbered as the golf pocket with the ball, either 1, 3, 4 or 6. 6 is the pocket in questions. You can see they are all different sizes and cuts. I love this table because of that. And if I'm being honest, I've kept this crappy cloth because it makes this table plays very tough and requires a pretty good stroke. Some of my friends are more modern perfectionist type players that want everything to be perfectly zen who usually drill me on perfect equipment. But when they come over I'm favored because they hate playing on this table. In a couple hours they usually lose their minds and pay up!!
Hopefully they don't read this post and find out about the gaffed pockets.
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That last picture is making my angry. Like you, I like to practice on a table that's a bit gritty. It's nice when you play in a tournament and shots that you think you missed fall. I have struggled when I when I play on a slick table and it's too "sensitive", that is the downside. I still usually prefer practicing on the gritty table and competing on more pristine equipment.
Gritty is a very nice way to describe it. lol
Take one to bar next time your there lol they’re pretty small. They fit in your case lol
New cloth, old cloth, polish or not, speed and english, Red Label(sucks) or Blue label, GC1 or GC4, everything effects the rebound angle.
Whatever they may call it, but when I measure our 7’ Diamond Smart table pocket mouths point to point, I get exactly 4-1/2” corners, 5” sides and 142° PFA, which are all standard Diamond specs.You do know Diamond doesn’t use point to point for their pocket measurement
Precisely what describes the opening of the pocket.
I don’t miss a thing.I was checking yo see if anyone was paying attention.
Got that right!!!I don’t miss a thing.
I guess some points are more rounded than others.