70's Josswest

12squared

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Hi All,

A friend of mine dropped this cue off this weekend for me to try to find it's value and hopefully sell it for him. He said it was an old JOSS cue that Bill Stroud made & engraved but not with the "JOSS" logo, just with the original owner's name. I contacted Bill and he said he made the cue in the late 70's while in Colorado Springs and it was a Josswest. No "JW" engraved so I returned his email to inquire why there would be no "JW" but no answer yet.

The cue is in original condition according to my friend & by the look of it, I believe him. There are some areas where the finish has been absorbed by the grain which apear to be a slight crack but I assure you the cue is sound. This is found on the seam line of the very thick black veneer (point to point). The veneer may be more than one thick veneer but it's hard to tell. The other area that the finish was absorbed is on the buttsleeve that the pictures show clearly next to the only big ding in the finish.

The butt is 15.9oz and is perfectly straight. Has 3 shafts all with ivory ferrules (one ferrule is yellowed so it may be micarta?); 2 matching shafts are about 30" making the cue 59" about 12.6mm; 3rd shaft is 28 1/2" and a little over 13mm. The 30" shaft with the white ivory ferrule is 4oz and perfectly straight; the 30" shaft with the yellowed ferrule is 3.8oz & has a very slight bow in the center of shaft but the tip never leaves the table when rolled. The shorter shaft has a little more roll in the center than the 30" but again, tip never leaves the table when rolled. When together tip never leaves the table when rolled but you can see the same air in the center of shaft as described above. Over all I would consider it all pretty straight with the first shaft & butt perfectly straight. Cue plays really well.

The buttsleeve is tulip wood as are the points. Original linen wrap feels awesome.

Looking for some input as to it's value and if you care to bid, I will pass on anything to my friend. Bill Stroud's email verifying it's authenticity is available to the new owner if it gets that far.

Thanks, Dave
 

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Here are a few more pics of the Josswest. Oh yeh, it comes with one pair of aluminum? joint protectors seen in pics.
 

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Bad News

This is not Ebay! Post a price and it will sell or not sell. If you are taking offers that is different but offers here are not binding. You might wish to have offers PM ed to you also but we never bid here but I offer $400.00 and that might get you higher offers so you can thank me later as for the value of that cue it is worth more than my offer!
Good luck
Nick
 
nick serdula said:
This is not Ebay! Post a price and it will sell or not sell. If you are taking offers that is different but offers here are not binding. You might wish to have offers PM ed to you also but we never bid here but I offer $400.00 and that might get you higher offers so you can thank me later as for the value of that cue it is worth more than my offer!
Good luck
Nick

Nick,

I do get the bidding thing & thank you for your comments & bid. You're right, if it were mine to sell I would list a price.

I tried to make it clear in my post that the most important part of my listing this for my friend is to give him an idea as to its value. I figured the educated folks on this board would have a good idea of that. Selling it is secondary. Sorry, I know this is not eBay.

Dave
 
12squared said:
Nick,

I do get the bidding thing & thank you for your comments & bid. You're right, if it were mine to sell I would list a price.

I tried to make it clear in my post that the most important part of my listing this for my friend is to give him an idea as to its value. I figured the educated folks on this board would have a good idea of that. Selling it is secondary. Sorry, I know this is not eBay.

Dave

I offer $500, the value is what someone is willing to pay.

Dave
 
Dave,
Nice piece.
The vintage JW’s don’t appear (to me) quite as hot as they were a few years ago… like any cue, the value depends on what’s hot, what’s not, at that time. I think vintage JW is on the lower side of the pendulum (at present)(my take). I have owned a number of the vintage JW In fact, I owned one almost identical to yours there, but sold it a few years ago. Believe back then they were fetching around 750-900, and some, depending on the woods, and whether or not with veneers, they were fetching 12-1400. In the condition this one appears. I think in the current market, I would list on ebay, starting bid $550 and let her run. Just depends on timing. I think the missing logo could take away from desire, but if your friend is patient, it should run full circle, and the value should increase in future years. Also, perhaps Mr. Stroud will install the logo, that is, if your friend would like to retain the cue (for now). These old Stroud’s sure hit well, and nicely constructed. By the way, I find nothing wrong with your approach, ambivalent about the price, and you prefaced as such. I find nothing offensive about seeing cues without a price, if the approach the seller would like to take is ‘I’ll take offers’… then so be it, either submit the gentleman an offer, or ignore the post. Hope this helps you in some minor way. Best of luck and kind regards, Brett
 
Thank you all for your input and offers. I will pass them all on to Jeff and contact you only if there's interest - I won't be answering each PM separatey since I have limited time but please know that I would like to.

Please continue to share any opinions you might have on its value.

Thanks, Dave
 
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