8 ball improved handicap suggestions

[FLICKit]

If I don't have any credible info on FrankNCali, he plays as a Master (I assume that is the top level)

Maybe that's the top level or maybe it's the other way around... Guess he'll have to elaborate.

But your point is that every new player goes to the highest level. That wouldn't be much incentive for a visiting player to play in that area, if the player wants a legitimate shot to win. Before you fly off the handle, I'm not saying you should underrate em for your area either. Would be better to slightly overrate em, then to do anything else. But for some players that would mean the middle level would be the better option. For some other players, the bottom level would be fine.

Nonetheless, what standards and criteria do you use to shift a player into a different category? Do you do it after just 1 viewing, or do you wait until a number of sessions? Do you maintain any sort of record of the player's skillsets, or are you basically doing it all from memory? So, if a player plays in one tournament, does well but doesn't quite make it to the finals, then that player returns in 6 months or a year, what do you use to best access which level the player should be in? Does anyone else corroborate the decisions, or is it just 1 persons opinions?

 

[Teacherman]

...That wouldn't be much incentive for a visiting player to play in that area, if the player wants a legitimate shot to win....

Who cares?

 

[FLICKit]

Who cares?

Yeah.. that's exactly what I say about your system....

 

[Teacherman]

What system?

I'm not the one saying a national handicap system can work.

But, I am the one taking care of my good customers, many of which show up regularly and never win.

Why should Frankncali have any other treatment.

If he's a road dog, that's what he deserves.

If he's joe tourist.....big deal.....I'll never see him again.

Any out of town player that tries to enter a handicap tournament, without being rated the highest level, is way out of line.

 

[FLICKit]

What system?

I'm not the one saying a national handicap system can work.

But, I am the one taking care of my good customers, many of which show up regularly and never win.

Why should Frankncali have any other treatment.

If he's a road dog, that's what he deserves.

If he's joe tourist.....big deal.....I'll never see him again.

Any out of town player that tries to enter a handicap tournament, without being rated the highest level, is way out of line.

Note: You made a major erroneous assumption. If FrankNCali is who I think he is, he should be placed at the top level of your tournament, that's where I'd believe he'd want to be anyway.

In a limited system like yours, then that would be the only solution, put an unknown player to the top, no matter what their true abilities are.

Yet, you consistently try to bash any other system that uses any sort of defined standards that can be universally accepted as a baseline.

No system is perfect... Not even yours. So you gotta be able to take off your blinders and see the bigger picture.

That's why you duck questions like the ones posed to you for discussion.

If you want to turn this to a flame war - take it to the "Flame thread".

The topic here is about Improved Handicapping System.....

 

[Teacherman]

Note: You made a major erroneous assumption. If FrankNCali is who I think he is, he should be placed at the top level of your tournament, that's where I'd believe he'd want to be anyway...

I made no assumption. I told you how we deal with an out of town player.

Could care less how he plays, who he is, or who he's done.....If we have no credible info, he plays as a top player.

Ever owned a business?

 

[Teacherman]

...In a limited system like yours, then that would be the only solution, put an unknown player to the top, no matter what their true abilities are. An impossible task, by the way.

Yet, you consistently try to bash any other system that uses any sort of defined standards that can be universally accepted as a baseline...

Again, I'm not promoting the national system. You are.

I promote local inhouse handicapping. You know. The kind that has a chance of working.

Universally accepted?........please.

Universally mocked and deemed impossible is closer.

If a guy walks into my place to enter a tournament, says "I'm an APA 5", the first thing I do is laugh at him.

 

[Teacherman]

...So you gotta be able to take off your blinders and see the bigger picture...

Bigger picture? Or THE BIG PICTURE.

THE BIG PICTURE is you and your APA buddies getting ripped off daily and feeling good about it because you have a handicap. Pool, not mental.....although......

 

[FLICKit]

Bigger picture? Or THE BIG PICTURE.

THE BIG PICTURE is you and your APA buddies getting ripped off daily and feeling good about it because you have a handicap. Pool, not mental.....although......

The BIG PICTURE is that you are clueless because you're so close minded that can't see any options other than your single minded agenda. Of course you wanna turn this thread into a bash every other system, and ignore the flaws in your own, but that's typical of you.

Unlike you, in this thread, I'm willing to look beyond any leagues that I'm currently affiliated with, and focus on what's the best approach as a whole.

Here's the challenge to you (which you'll likely chicken out on), without making any references to the APA or your own lil league, what is the second best method of handicapping in your mind?

Otherwise, if you just want to get back on your bash kick, then move it to the "Flame thread", lil burnout boy.

 

[cheesemouse]

Teach,
You crack me up man. I would be a good customer at your place. We would have lots of laughs...

 

[FLICKit]

Teach,
You crack me up man... We would have lots of laughs...

Yeah, I'd laugh alot too. Just be laughing at him and his close minded viewpoints.

His close mindedness is exactly why he couldn't understand ChefJeff's system, even though it was clearly stated. But Teacherman shoots from his a$$ first, and understanding differing viewpoints never comes into play. But, can't teach an old dog, new tricks...

 

[Teacherman]

...what is the second best method of handicapping in your mind?

Nice try but there is no first best national handicapping system so there can't be a second best.

NONE OF THEM WORK. Never have. Never will.

 

[FLICKit]

Nice try but there is no first best national handicapping system so there can't be a second best.

NONE OF THEM WORK. Never have. Never will.

See how close minded... the question to you was what's the second best handicapping system?

But of course you chicken out, just like was predicted.

So give up on hijacking another thread.... Such typical and predictable behavior from ya... Seen it all before...

 

[Teacherman]

See how close minded... the question to you was what's the second best handicapping system?

But of course you chicken out, just like was predicted.

So give up on hijacking another thread.... Such typical and predictable behavior from ya... Seen it all before...

Your question: What is the second best handicapping system out there.

My answer: There isn't one.

Your response: Didn't answer the question.

TRANSLATION: If I had a brain, I'd argue with you. But, since I'm handicapped (not by the APA) I'm going to flame.

 

[Teacherman]

Teach,
You crack me up man. I would be a good customer at your place. We would have lots of laughs...

How hard would we laugh at FLICKit's ignorance????????

 

[frankncali]

Could care less how he plays, who he is, or who he's done.....If we have no credible info, he plays as a top player.

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Who I have done!! Wow thats a different thread all together.


Teach I agree about the traveling guys but a good tournament director
can tell if a guy is there as a road dog or not. I dont think the highest
level is always warranted. I would not start them off at a lower level though.
The weekly is for the locals. When I traveled working I got it all the time.
I would be raised high and even if I did well the locals would complain.
In certain areas there were TDs that really knew their stuff and seemed to
get it right. But weeklys are still for the locals.

Flickit I dont know who you think I am but I am probably not him. Maybe.
I am just a local wishing there was a good pool room nearby instead of one that should be very good but sucks. They have 11 9-footers and only 2 have all the rails attached. The others look like a rollercoaster track.

As for league handicapping its tough. I have always been curious about
other leagues. I played the USPPA but IMO its a joke. Many love it but the
better play is still in the advantage in that one by far.
I think I remember Bob Jewett saying something about a pretty fair
8 ball system but I cant remember much about it. Maybe I will google it.

 

[FLICKit]

Your question: What is the second best handicapping system out there.

My answer: There isn't one.

Your response: Didn't answer the question.

TRANSLATION: If I had a brain, I'd argue with you. But, since I'm handicapped (not by the APA) I'm going to flame.

You've been exposed....

 

[Teacherman]

...I dont think the highest
level is always warranted. I would not start them off at a lower level though.
The weekly is for the locals. When I traveled working I got it all the time.
I would be raised high and...

ABsolutely warranted. What, you want one free winner? Why should the TD favor you, who he doesn't know, and isn't likely to see again, over his local yocals who show up every week? Why should you have a chance until the locals who never win have their day?

Play the first tournament as the highest hcp. We'll watch you. If you come back, we'll talk. But not until.

If you want to play bad enough I'll gamble with you. But, you're not getting in the tournament as anything but the max.

I'm going to keep my 20 locals happy before you win a tournament of mine.

 

[FLICKit]

ABsolutely warranted. What, you want one free winner? Why should the TD favor you, who he doesn't know, and isn't likely to see again, over his local yocals who show up every week? Why should you have a chance until the locals who never win have their day?

Play the first tournament as the highest hcp. We'll watch you. If you come back, we'll talk. But not until.

If you want to play bad enough I'll gamble with you. But, you're not getting in the tournament as anything but the max.

I'm going to keep my 20 locals happy before you win a tournament of mine.

You are quite off-topic once again... But you argue... Same redundant posts.
Big yawn...

 

[frankncali]

My thought was to handicap the stranger high but not to the hilt. Unless your running some kind of great weekly then not many road agents are
going to drop by for it. I agree though to keep your locals happy if thats
possible.
I think you hit on a place many rooms can improve. How many times do
we see the same locals alwasys doing well in weeklys. I like places that adjust your level in that event. Most TDs dont pay any attention and theres
always a few that never make the money.
It a tough go for regular guys that travel for a living and would like to play
a tournament or two. I used to like rooms where the owner or someone would hook me up with a guy or two to play while I wa in town. Not gambling
just playing. Its not hard to find a gambling game but a honest friendly game that is competitive is tough.

ABsolutely warranted. What, you want one free winner? Why should the TD favor you, who he doesn't know, and isn't likely to see again, over his local yocals who show up every week? Why should you have a chance until the locals who never win have their day?

Play the first tournament as the highest hcp. We'll watch you. If you come back, we'll talk. But not until.

If you want to play bad enough I'll gamble with you. But, you're not getting in the tournament as anything but the max.

I'm going to keep my 20 locals happy before you win a tournament of mine.