8 Ball Run out from here
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BRKNRUN said:I am not opposed to this pattern...(I would probably still look to see if I can break that 8 out on the firt shot though)...
If I did not like the angle to the 8 (If it required to much working of the CB to get on it) I would look to this pattern you describe.
I think (even though you did not mention it in so many words) your diagram shows a good lesson to keep in mind.......(and you probably have a habit of seeing it this way already)
When you forced into this type of postion shot that (as Grady would say) is fraught with peril...You should look at only the positive outcomes and basically ignore the bad roll outcomes......Pick your intended good line and go with it...
If you see the CB clipping the 10 and ending up hooked behind it...Or you see yourslef hitting it just a bit too hard (because you want to be sure your clear the 10) and imagine the CB banking behind the 14....That is probably what is going to happen...
It is the same theory about hitting a golf shot on a 175 yard par three that is all carry over water.....If you "see" the ball going into the water......."gloink"
The thought process on that hole is supposed to be....."What Water??"
Cory duel made a comment regarding pocketing balls that is along the same lines...He said...."If the last thing I see (before pulling the trigger) is the ball going in the pocket...that is usually where it goes...If the last thing I see is the ball jarring or hitting a rail...that is usually what happens"
Actually, I'm going to come right out and say this - Rails are GREAT markers for speed control. You should be able to reach your given target rail within an inch, especially on a shot like this. If you don't feel comfortable doing this, work on it. The pay-off is incredible. Become an expert at reaching rails and your game will improve overwhelmingly.
Seriously, I think there are maybe 5 shots that the average B/C player is decent in but could be better. If they spent an hour a week working on those 5 shots, they're going to jump a letter within a month or two. The position from the 6 to the 8 is one of those shots.
Regarding Deuel, I agree with that line of thinking. You have to be positive but you have to have the experience to be positive.
Neil said:
Exactly. There is probably between an 80-90% chance a kick shot will leave no direct angle to the 8-ball.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Yea, makes sense. Like I said, its the inexperience talking. Im not yet confident enough in my position play to try to get shape for the 8 in the side which is why I choose to "lay up" for the safe. But yea, thats a good rule and certainly something I should apply to my game.
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BRKNRUN got the prize for they way I ended up doing it.
I just did not like trying to get back to the right leave on the 6 ball at the end of the run. I decided to play the 6, and come off the rail to bump the 8 into a more makable position. I figured if I missed I should be able to shoot the 2 and have a good safe there if I needed, rather than risking it later when I would have only 1 ball or just the 8 left to try and get a safe. Then I shot the 2 for a leave on the 1, then the one to get to the 5. I shot the 5 top left, and drew back up table for the shot on the 8 in the side.
Game over.
Rep to everyone who posted here except Jude. I still need to spread it around some to get back to you Jude.
I just did not like trying to get back to the right leave on the 6 ball at the end of the run. I decided to play the 6, and come off the rail to bump the 8 into a more makable position. I figured if I missed I should be able to shoot the 2 and have a good safe there if I needed, rather than risking it later when I would have only 1 ball or just the 8 left to try and get a safe. Then I shot the 2 for a leave on the 1, then the one to get to the 5. I shot the 5 top left, and drew back up table for the shot on the 8 in the side.
Game over.
Rep to everyone who posted here except Jude. I still need to spread it around some to get back to you Jude.
soulcatcher said:
Glad it worked for you, but I have to say I have mixed feelings on the first shot. It's a tough layout and you cracked it, no doubt, but there just seems to be a lot that could have gone wrong after the contact with the eight. If you didn't clear it just right so it could go into the side, you'd be in deep doo doo.
Da Poet said:Glad it worked for you, but I have to say I have mixed feelings on the first shot. It's a tough layout and you cracked it, no doubt, but there just seems to be a lot that could have gone wrong after the contact with the eight. If you didn't clear it just right so it could go into the side, you'd be in deep doo doo.
Agreed, if I miss the shot I am in deep, but then I would still have 3 balls on the table to play defense. Also, with this table, I would actually have preferred to knock the 8 past the side pocket than leave it short of the side pocket if I missed. It would create more problems for my opponent that way, and the 5 may have given me way to get at it there.
All balls go so I'm not trying to hit anything other than pocket here and play shape for a bank on the 8. Anyone good enough to play shape in that small window with confidence and regularity, shouldn't!!! cause that bank would be even easier for those guys... Hook on balls, in off... froze over a ball, just too much going on. Banking all the way here for me. Someone else posted and I like it... 6, 5, 1 and 2 CB 3 rails for bank on 8. I would be walking to the table thinking I have won this game.
