8-Ball vs 9-ball

8 ball is a much more difficult game, both mentally and skils wise. Even if you run your rack you may not get a shot on the 8. You have your opponits balls blocking yours, balls in your way of your run out......

8 ball is a much more difficult game.

9 ball became so popular because it makes a faster match for TV and because it gives people an easy cheese for the money ball.

Both require skills, 8 ball just requires more....
 
Rotation Eight?

Maybe rotation 8 ball playing bank the 8 with early combos allowed is the game we need.
 
Cornerman said:
I often wonder how many times this question has to be asked in a year. Twelve sounds about right.

Neither is harder or easier. Each has easier aspects than the other. That's why the two games are different. Depending on the strengths of the individual player, those strengths will dictate individually which is the "easier" of the two games.

Fred

Who ever is the better straight pool player, is probably the better the 8-ball player.
 
I was reading the May issue of BD yesterday and they quote Mike Sigel:

"The thing I like is that it's" (8-ball) "designed for the better players to win, 9-ball gives the weaker guy a chance that he doesn't deserve."

I will have to agree with that. Even though I am no great player, but about a couple months ago I did experience that "quantum leap" that Capelle refers to in his latest book, and everything all of a sudden just seems so much easier. I find that when I play someone who is in the range of a 4 or 5 or even a 6 in the APA I just believe that he really has no chance to beat me in 8-ball. Then when I play someone who is really good I have to really play well to give him a contest.

I can only imagine what it would be like competing against pros.

Jake
 
Either

I think they both have pros and cons, just like any billiards game in the world does. I think it just comes down to preference again. Whatever you prefer to play, just play it! I like them both and I play both, although I am much better at 8 ball just due to the fact I have been playing it a lot longer.
 
jjinfla said:
I was reading the May issue of BD yesterday and they quote Mike Sigel:

"The thing I like is that it's" (8-ball) "designed for the better players to win, 9-ball gives the weaker guy a chance that he doesn't deserve."
This is exactly what I've been saying all along in the previous threads...that the better player will tend to win more at 8ball than in 9ball. Or conversely...the weaker player has more of a chance to beat the better player in 9ball than in 8ball. This is what I mean when I say 9ball is the "easier" game of the two.

Again, I don't buy the whole "8ball is an easier game because so-and-so can run out an 8ball rack but not a 9ball rack". That statement only proves that 8ball is easier to runout if you have an open rack. That's all. However, if you want to define it in these terms, then so be it.
 
Jedi V Man said:
8 ball is a much more difficult game, both mentally and skils wise. Even if you run your rack you may not get a shot on the 8. You have your opponits balls blocking yours, balls in your way of your run out......

8 ball is a much more difficult game.

9 ball became so popular because it makes a faster match for TV and because it gives people an easy cheese for the money ball.

Both require skills, 8 ball just requires more....

With all due respect Jedi, you are just plain wrong. 8 ball is painfully easy. It is a game designed to be easy. It presents the shooter with numerous options every time he/she steps to the table. 8 ball is by far the easiest table game next to bumper pool.
 
Aaron_S said:
...c) 9-ball is not usually played as a call-shot game, and I believe it should be...

Good luck!

I agree. Though slop rarely determines a game at the top level, I think this is one rule that should be changed for 9 ball. Not playing call shot just makes it easier for bangers to look like heroes.
 
Str8PoolMan said:
I agree. Though slop rarely determines a game at the top level, I think this is one rule that should be changed for 9 ball. Not playing call shot just makes it easier for bangers to look like heroes.

I can think of one game off the top of my head where Danny Harriman played a very nice safety against Earl. Earl made a nice kick for the hit, but also slopped in the nine ball to win the match.

I know I have won games I should have lost and lost games I should have won because of the nine ball going in unintentionally. I'm nowhere near the top level, but I'm far beyond needing slop to make shots.

I agree that nine ball would be better if it were call shot.
 
i think 8 ball is miles easier. i'm not that good yet i'm still reletively new, yet i have run out quite a few 8 ball racks - indeed i ran out a couple tonight. but ive only ever ran two racks of nine ball, and neither were from the break.

i feel that if you can break well, all the balls will be open and it's pretty easy. all these 'clusters' people go on about - there are only a couple of tiny ones provided it was a decent break. and theres never any clever safety either. the extent of strategy in 8 ball is blocking pockets. slight exaggeration but still.

having said all that 8 ball is still a fun game.
 
pharaoh68 said:
With all due respect Jedi, you are just plain wrong. 8 ball is painfully easy. It is a game designed to be easy. It presents the shooter with numerous options every time he/she steps to the table. 8 ball is by far the easiest table game next to bumper pool.

I'll disagree.. the same reasoning could be used to say that 9-ball is easier since your next shot is decided for you. I'm by no means an A-player, but I can pot-and-hide all day long on a 9-ball rack.. much easier said than done on an 8-ball table. 8-ball makes you choose a path and attempt to follow it, you may get out of line and try for another ball.. but everyone knows what happens when shape starts getting out of line, it typically just gets worse and worse. :confused:

9-ball is either a matter of banging around a few balls or shoot-and-hide.. add to that the slop factor. Most players run fewer 9-ball racks because they play less 9-ball and defensive shots are more easily come by.

8-ball is slightly more difficult for the strategy involved and the need to be able to move (or move around) obstacles on the table.. as well as being able to create clusters for your opponent.

You must be watching way too much bar pool to say that every turn at the table presents numerous opportunities. Maybe if they're left open, sure.. otherwise they're suppose to be left with what the last shooter wanted them to shoot at. And if they miss their shot and slop something in, their turn is over. And no slopping the money ball. :eek:

Not trying to sound snippy, but don't rag on my game. :p

Yes, a great break in 8 can be easy to run, but you still have to run them.. a great break in 9 can leave 5 or 6 balls left (what obstacles?) or even an x-9 combo. You tell me which is more difficult.. and open 5 balls to run that can include slop, or 5 open balls with another 5-7 opponent balls on the table?
 
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pharaoh68 said:
With all due respect Jedi, you are just plain wrong. 8 ball is painfully easy. It is a game designed to be easy. It presents the shooter with numerous options every time he/she steps to the table. 8 ball is by far the easiest table game next to bumper pool.

Having just watched Shannon Daulton's 8-ball tournament at Palace Billiards in Greenville, SC, I can tell you you could not be more wrong. The field included a number of outstanding players, including Johnny Archer, Gabe Owen, Shannon, Stevie Moore, John Hennessey, Tony Watson, Jeff Abernathy, Mike Gulassey, Ron Parks and Sammy Jones.

All one had to do was watch a great 9-ball player like Gabe Owen in utter confusion trying to figure out how to run out an 8-ball rack to appreciate how different the games are and how deceptively difficult the game of 8-ball really is. Just shoot one wrong ball in an 8-ball pattern and the rack can become impossible. Miss position by as little as a fraction of an inch and a simple rack becomes disaster. Bump another ball unintentionally and a simple pattern vanishes. Moreover, once a player decides to run out in 8-ball against top competition, failing to do so usually means a loss. In 9-ball if you mess up, it's very easy to duck. That is seldom an option in 8-ball.

I watched the immensely talented Gabe Owen (and other GREAT 9-ballers, including Tony Watson) absolutely baffled by 8-ball. To say 8-ball is a painfully easy game is painfully naive.
 
I tend to let the stats speak for themselves. I've played in countless BCA 9-ball leagues and I've also played in coutless BCA 8-ball leagues.

I always have higher win/loss percentages playing 8-ball. I just have an easier time playing 8-ball. I find 9-ball more of a challenge because of the constant precise positioning needs of the game.
 
tedkaufman said:
Just shoot one wrong ball in an 8-ball pattern and the rack can become impossible. Miss position by as little as a fraction of an inch and a simple rack becomes disaster. Bump another ball unintentionally and a simple pattern vanishes.

I agree, good points.

I watched the immensely talented Gabe Owen (and other GREAT 9-ballers, including Tony Watson) absolutely baffled by 8-ball. To say 8-ball is a painfully easy game is painfully naive.

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All i play is eightball and i just like all the different options in the game, especially when you don't get a good break and there is clusters on the table. To play a good safe when your opponent has seven balls or less to hit and they can't hit one unless going to a rail is a challenge, but also impossible for me anyways. I couldn't really say what game is harder as i stated before but eightball is more challenging to me. Good post Tedkaufman
 
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