8 Balll Situation

Regarding my choice, you don't need to be perfect, but it might drop if you're lucky.

You're giving yourself a chance to win and playing safe in case you don't get lucky.

Again, if you have practiced the corner-to-corner long rail kick track, finding this kick to make contact with this big ball shouldn't be too difficult. I'd be most concerned with speed control.

I didn't even consider your choices Jude. I'm just a scrub though. :smile:
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
or if you really want him to get sick...


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Funny
in a league player match
safe with distance is the play!
slow roll maybe a little double kiss Nurse shot(HA HA)
really would slow cueball and let you control whitey better!
 
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supergreenman said:
In my opinion you were screwed once you ran 6 balls then let him to the table. << There's your lesson.

In order to save this game you're going to have to play safe, which is hard to do given the layout. Take a foul as I've shown, and hope for a miracle.

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This is precisely what I was talking about in my first response. I agree whole-heartedly with SGM here. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place and looking for a miracle solution. Well, even the best idea here likely won't work but at least if you tie things up, you're going to make him think a little. It gives him an opportunity to make a mistake. Either push the 5 up against the 8 or move the 8 toward your 14.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, if you're playing a pro, you might as well kick at the 14-ball at mach 3 and hope you get position on the 8. I mean, it really doesn't matter what you do since you're going to be racking in about 3 minutes anyway.
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I absolutely agree with this shot! Fire that thing. If he is that strong you are just going to get into a drawn out safety battle and probably lose anyways.
 
PROG8R said:
I absolutely agree with this shot! Fire that thing. If he is that strong you are just going to get into a drawn out safety battle and probably lose anyways.
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Guys, let's be honest. You can't do anything dumb here because no matter what you do, you're gonna lose! LMAO!!! I mean, I've been there before and recently! You made a mistake two or three shots ago and now you're stuck so here's how it goes:

You turn to your opponent and smile. Then you say, "Watch this. You are going to be witness to the greatest shot ever."
 
Andrew Manning said:
Now you need a priest.

-Andrew
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Was there ever a point when he didn't need one? Excellent response here and you're definitely right - no matter how the 5/8 settles, he's going to have SOME variation of this safety available to him. However, it does buy you another shot and maybe you can tie up something else. Besides, there is the chance he might be itching to run out. You never know.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
First, you have a horrible shot and second, you have an 8-ball that's not near a pocket.
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Exactly, which is why I think it would be absurd to just fire at the 14 and hope for the best. Even if you pull a miracle shot and make the 14, there is no guarantee you'll have any great position on the 8 calling for another miracle shot. Coming up with one miracle shot is one thing, coming up with two consecutive miracle shots is another.

I don't care who I'm playing, whether it be a D-player or Efren, I would play the shot as illustrated below. The trick is to find a good compromise between keeping the CB on the rail and have the 14 lie such that it can be pocketed with the CB anywhere on the table (assuming no blockers). I would rather force my opponent to make a great shot from there. If he makes it, he wins and you lose. If he misses, then I have an excellent chance of running out with the CB just about anywhere on the table.

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Thanks all for the input, some good ideas here.

To clarify a few things, the 14 was ~1/2 in. off the rail, so the rail first shot was very difficult.

I felt avoiding the kiss on the straight back bank was very difficult (14 close to rail).

And I wasn't confident slow rolling into the 14 since the table doesn't roll too well. Even if it did, I was 6.5 feet from the ball and that can be a risk on any table.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Guys, let's be honest. You can't do anything dumb here because no matter what you do, you're gonna lose! LMAO!!! I mean, I've been there before and recently! You made a mistake two or three shots ago and now you're stuck so here's how it goes:

You turn to your opponent and smile. Then you say, "Watch this. You are going to be witness to the greatest shot ever."
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You hit the nail on the head. I missed that 14 and paid the price.

And to reply about tying up solids, I wasn't comfortable with that. He's a very patient player and will safe me until he gets ball in hand and can break it out.
 
axejunkie said:
You hit the nail on the head. I missed that 14 and paid the price.

And to reply about tying up solids, I wasn't comfortable with that. He's a very patient player and will safe me until he gets ball in hand and can break it out.
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I had a similiar situation come up while playing BCA season play offs.
I broke and ran to the 8B, missed the 8B to that same corner pocket in your diagram. My opponent played a safety, and I was left with nearly the same shot you had on the 14B....only I only had the option of a 1 or 2 rail kick shot.
He called a safety, and I stepped up the table, and I said, "you call that a safety".
I two rail kicked the 8B into the corner pocket to win the game.
At the end of the day, he shook my hand, and said "you were the only mf'er to beat me...all day".

Sometimes, you just have to go for it. Even if you are in a tough situation, you just have to make up your mind and execute.

I like Jude's quote....""Watch this. You are going to be witness to the greatest shot ever."

Whether you decide to play a safety or pocket the ball, the key is to be determined to execute it without fear.
 
jsp said:
Exactly, which is why I think it would be absurd to just fire at the 14 and hope for the best. Even if you pull a miracle shot and make the 14, there is no guarantee you'll have any great position on the 8 calling for another miracle shot. Coming up with one miracle shot is one thing, coming up with two consecutive miracle shots is another.

I don't care who I'm playing, whether it be a D-player or Efren, I would play the shot as illustrated below. The trick is to find a good compromise between keeping the CB on the rail and have the 14 lie such that it can be pocketed with the CB anywhere on the table (assuming no blockers). I would rather force my opponent to make a great shot from there. If he makes it, he wins and you lose. If he misses, then I have an excellent chance of running out with the CB just about anywhere on the table.

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Thanks for posting this. This was my suggestion on post #17. Put some heat on him to do or lose.
 
okinawa77 said:
Whether you decide to play a safety or pocket the ball, the key is to be determined to execute it without fear.
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Yes, you should absolutely fear nothing since deep in your heart, you know with absolute certainty, beyond any ounce of doubt THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOSE IN 3 MINUTES! So -ck it. Let's see what happens.
 
AL-Slouch said:
I know someone who would shoot it like this and claimed it to be what he "planned to do"....this is great
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so long as he tells people he learned it from one of my cuetable diagrams, he can do what he wants!
 
Aaron_S said:
Looks to be big threat of a kiss in that shot, but I could see shooting it with extreme high-left hold. The 14 has a chance to go 1 or 3 rails, and if you can hold the cb in the top-left corner you will have a long straight on the 8 and your opp. will not have a dead hanger. Just have to be sure to avoid the kiss.

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That's my shot here -- it's a 50%+ bank with built in shape and it could block the pocket. I am pretty sure this shot doesn't kiss when hit in this way.
 
Neil said:
I'm REALLY surprised to hear you say that!! If that is your thought process, you are right, you have zero chance of winning.
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No, call it the poker player in me. I am very big on odds. I want to win. I will try to win. However, I know when I'm beat. I know when I examine this loss, the mistake to examine will be before this moment, not after it.

This sort of reminds me of a player in my home room. He's a solid A level player who, like anyone else, will occasionally hook himself. He'll get his jump cue (which he happens to be very good with) and try to pocket the ball. If he fails, the only thing he talks about is the missed jump shot NOT what got him there.

In this situation, I think it's good to be light-hearted about it. It's no different than Reyes' greatest shot ever. No pressure. It's over. But before I'm done, here's my last effort.
 
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