'85 Runde Schon

[Bavafongoul]

This is the cue that made Bob swear he'd never do another custom. There's history behind building it which embarrasses me to no end
but overwhelmingly proves Bob is the nicest, person imaginable....and a heck of a talented cue-maker too. Skins, hope you like the pics.

Matt B.

 

[tduncan]

Outstanding cue.

 

[cuesblues]

You don't see many 1985 R-15's
Very cool, thanks for the pics

 

[skins]

You don't see many 1985 R-15's
Very cool, thanks for the pics

It's not a standard R15... It has only 4 points.. Cool but weird... Bava, does it have 6 Ivory boxes in the sleeve?

 

[Jimmy_Betmore]

That's a sick cue, man. I'm a sucker for cues like these.


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[Bavafongoul]

skins....you got right.

There's six ivory bars that measure 1/4" wide and 1.5" long. I wanted the bars really large.
The ivory spears are also jumbo size and measure 1/3" wide at the base and 2.4" long.
Veneers are double-wide, bright red and the stain turned out to be the perfect darkness.
Cue ferrules are original GE Micarta material and of course, the wrap is Cortland Linen.

I'd be playing with this cue now if the darn weight wasn't so heavy. Back in the 80's, cues weighing
20 ozs were more common than uncommon.........Tad, Joss West, Scruggs, Black, Schon, Schrager,
Joss East.......yes.....the name was only Joss but the venacular reference was always Joss West &
Joss East back in the early 80's. This Schon weighs 20.5 ozs. but that's what I played with back then.

I changed to lighter cues and ivory joints some years later and wish this cue was more suited to what I
look for in my pool cues today. Nonetheless, the provenance behind this cue is way to cool to ever
sell or trade. It's simply now a showpiece cue and the funny part, it hardly ever gets seen since I don't
even carry it in my 6x12 cue case any longer.

 

[Bavafongoul]

file size problems loading addt'l pics......sorry.

 

[Busboy]

Very nice

 

[skins]

This cue is truly "custom" because Bob would have never used 4 on 6 and the inlays in the points have radiuses but the ones in the sleeve don't which means the sleeve was slotted together like ringwork and not inlaid. This cue was done right around the time he started matching the cutter size radius on the parts to the pocket... What most people call "cnc'd" even though it was done with a panto... Some need to be educated about radiused inlays and why they're used... I like this cue... This cue looks like its never been worked on.. True?

skins....you got right.

There's six ivory bars that measure 1/4" wide and 1.5" long. I wanted the bars really large.
The ivory spears are also jumbo size and measure 1/3" wide at the base and 2.4" long.
Veneers are double-wide, bright red and the stain turned out to be the perfect darkness.
Cue ferrules are original GE Micarta material and of course, the wrap is Cortland Linen.

I'd be playing with this cue now if the darn weight wasn't so heavy. Back in the 80's, cues weighing
20 ozs were more common than uncommon.........Tad, Joss West, Scruggs, Black, Schon, Schrager,
Joss East.......yes.....the name was only Joss but the venacular reference was always Joss West &
Joss East back in the early 80's. This Schon weighs 20.5 ozs. but that's what I played with back then.

I changed to lighter cues and ivory joints some years later and wish this cue was more suited to what I
look for in my pool cues today. Nonetheless, the provenance behind this cue is way to cool to ever
sell or trade. It's simply now a showpiece cue and the funny part, it hardly ever gets seen since I don't
even carry it in my 6x12 cue case any longer.

 

[ToomnyQs]

A similar cue

Here's another one kind of like it Tim although I'm not sure what year this one is.. I also like these old Schons.. They play soooo good..

 

[skins]

yeah, you can tell the boxes in this cue are inlaid... different from Bava's cue... I mean they're still technically inlaid just done like slot ring work billets...Waiting to get my 81'-2' back from it's restoration than Evan Clarke is doing.. I've heard he does really nice work on resto's... I'll know in a short while :smile:

Here's another one kind of like it Tim although I'm not sure what year this one is.. I also like these old Schons.. They play soooo good..

 

[Bavafongoul]

Wow....I Am Impressed.

skins.....you have a meticulous eye for detail and I recall my conversations with Bob at the Inaugural BCA Trade Show....yup, the very first one....held in Forth Worth, TX in May '85.
Bob designed the cue at the Schon booth listening to what I wanted and sketched a few notes on the reverse side of a Schon Cues R Series Price List. Bob went over how he would
make the cue emphasizing that the points would be razor sharp......you be the judge..... and the cue's delivery timeframe.

In answer to your question, this cue is in original condition.....the only thing that's been done over the years has been a couple of tip replacements which one otherwise might expect
given the cue's age......aside from that. nada.....I maintain the shafts using Craftsman Cue Wax I get from Birmingham, England and heat press the Cortland Linen occasionally using
a heavy, thick glass beer mug.....I try my best to treat all my cues with care because they're some of the toys that I'll eventually pass along to my children along with my gun collection.

Matt B.

 

[skins]

The wrap has been maintained well but that's Cortland linen.. Cortland would have lighter colored specs, harder to see...The wrap would look whiter also...

......I maintain the shafts using Craftsman Cue Wax I get from Birmingham, England and heat press the Cortland Linen occasionally using
a heavy, thick glass beer mug......

Matt B.

 

[Bavafongoul]

It Has Such a Great Feel.........

I am trying very....very hard to locate 50 yds of Cortland Linen #12 (white with black speck) for the Bushka Tribute cue Jerry R. has underway.
My last, prior attempt to locate some #12 for the cue Bob Owen recently completed for me this past May was unsuccessful but I was able to
furnish him with some Cortland Linen #9 thanks to the kindness of Joe Pechauer. Here's a photo of my Mottey cue with the Gus Szamboti cue
design that has the same Cortland Linen. My Scruggs & Owen cues also use Cortland Linen as wrap and my Palmer cue just has a black Irish
Linen wrap.....I'm just not a fan of leather wraps, or cork, and a wrap-less pool cue just doesn't even feel like a custom cue when its in my hands.
The Schon wrap was installed in 1985 while the Mottey wrap was done in 1991 and both still looking good & feeling great....it just works for me.

Matt B.

 

[skins]

What I was trying to say is that the linen on the cues you've posted is NOT Cortland... At least original Cortland the way I know it to be. Cortland did not have as much dot pattern in it. It looked like an off white wrap from a distance... No Cortland I've ever seen looks like the wraps you've posted.. Could be a Blue Mountain product...

I am trying very....very hard to locate 50 yds of Cortland Linen #12 (white with black speck) for the Bushka Tribute cue Jerry R. has underway.
My last, prior attempt to locate some #12 for the cue Bob Owen recently completed for me this past May was unsuccessful but I was able to
furnish him with some Cortland Linen #9 thanks to the kindness of Joe Pechauer. Here's a photo of my Mottey cue with the Gus Szamboti cue
design that has the same Cortland Linen. My Scruggs & Owen cues also use Cortland Linen as wrap and my Palmer cue just has a black Irish
Linen wrap.....I'm just not a fan of leather wraps, or cork, and a wrap-less pool cue just doesn't even feel like a custom cue when its in my hands.
The Schon wrap was installed in 1985 while the Mottey wrap was done in 1991 and both still looking good & feeling great....it just works for me.

Matt B.

 

[Bavafongoul]

I know, or at least believe, the wrap on the Runde Schon is Cortland as that's what I ordered from Bob but the Paul Mottey cue has the same wrap and it was also ordered with Cortland
by its original owner. My Mottey cue is a copy of Gus Szamboti's favorite personal playing cue and it's would be a very odd coincidence for Paul to use Blue Mountain linen on a Szamboti
cue design. It's not impossible of course but seemingly not very likely back in '91, especially considering what this cue originally cost. I also think....just my belief....Paul would have wanted
to remain true to the design and would have used Cortland, especially since that's what the original owner of the Mottey cue had specified.

I'll tell you this....if it isn't Cortland, which I don't think is the case, then I want more of this darn linen because it's great. The Cortland #9 on my new Owen cue is much whiter and the green
speck is more faint than the dark specks on the wraps in the photo but those aren't #9 either. I'll let the experts on AZ figure out or speculate what this wrap is but I sure do want more of this
wrap if I could find any. Jamie, Mark H. or Bill G. are experts about pool cues & wraps and maybe one of them will read this thread & provide their respective opinion on these cue wraps.

 

[Moet.1977]

Schon

Very nice cue, all these old schons play great.

 

[flufly da killa]

thank you.....good to hear there some people here with some knowlege...it dont look even close to courtland...want that courtland look..take 1gal water and 8oz clorox thro in your wht/blk spec wht/grn spec let marinate for 30 to 60 mins wash with clean water..repeat until the specs are toned way down...wrap the handle spr ay on heavy spray starch and break out your good old clothing iron(remember that old thing we use to use before the dryer for wrinkles)iron the wrap.....remember what is wrap? fabric..fabric can be washed..dyed..bleached..dryed..fraid..and ironed can it not?....flufly da giant killa 8nout...

 

[Bavafongoul]

Paul Mottey Cue

You guys are funny.........to seriously think the wrap on my '91 custom Mottey isn't Cortland.....that Paul would make a Szamboti replica pool cue as a tribute to Gus Szamboti and he would have used a different linen wrap than Cortland for this cue design is a little ludicrous. Most of the folks commenting don't even know how many strands of flax were used in Cortland linen or anything about the braiding method used but they're born in the dye experts anyway.......Duh?

 

[cueaddicts]

Yep, that Blue Mountain is/was great stuff....:thumbup: