9 Ball After The Break (2) - What would you do here?

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Alright, here is another layout. You have just made two balls on the break and left with this.

What's your plan?
What obstacles are there?
What skills are needed?
Any interesting tips?


Please keep this a enjoyable thread for everyone. The goal here is not to be Mr. Smartypants but to learn from each other by having a constructive group discussion. There is no best answer to this layout... although it did happen in a real game before. ;)

If you happened to see it already, please keep a secret for now :)

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edit: 2 ball and 5 ball both can barely squeeze into the lower left pocket, for those who'd like to run this table out :)
 
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My short answer for run out would be to get shape on the 5 in the opposite corner from the 7 ball and play the cue ball two rails coming in from behind the 6 and 9 to bust them up.

Or you could elect to go into the side of the 9 ball to force the 6 towards the side or corner but I wouldn't shoot it that way myself.

You could also roll up from the 2 to the 3 and if you get the right angle shooting the 3 in the side follow the cue ball and clip the edge of the 6 taking the cue ball off the 6 into the side rail and out for the 4.
 
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Nine Ball said:
My short answer for run out would be to get shape on the 5 in the opposite corner from the 7 ball and play the cue ball two rails coming in from behind the 6 and 9 to bust them up.

Or you could elect to go into the side of the 9 ball to force the 6 towards the side or corner but I wouldn't shoot it that way myself.

You could also roll up from the 2 to the 3 and if you get the right angle shooting the 3 in the side follow the cue ball and clip the edge of the 6 taking the cue ball off the 6 into the side rail and out for the 4.
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Thank you very much for the great analysis! Yes the 6+9 cluster is a problem..

When is the best time to break them up?

From which angle and how hard?

Any back up plan if CB does hit them right at the exact spot?
 
Does the 2 go past the 7? It seems like you have half a pocket at most.
 
So much depends on the exact angles.

If the 2 went by the 7 clean & the actual angle looked right I would follow two rails off the end & side rail into the 9-6.

I should come away with a shot on the 3 either in the side or corner pocket below the 4.

I am fairly sure people will say that is too aggressive but that is probably what I would do.......;)
 
2 ball and 5 ball both can barely squeeze into the lower left pocket, for those who'd like to run this table out :)

I have just added this to the first post...
 
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cuetable said:
Alright, here is another layout. You have just made two balls on the break and left with this.

What's your plan?
What obstacles are there?
What skills are needed?
Any interesting tips?


Please keep this a enjoyable thread for everyone. The goal here is not to be Mr. Smartypants but to learn from each other by having a constructive group discussion. There is no best answer to this layout... although it did happen in a real game before. ;)

If you happened to see it already, please keep a secret for now :)

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edit: 2 ball and 5 ball both can barely squeeze into the lower left pocket, for those who'd like to run this table out :)
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try and play safe behind the seven and roll 2 ball up past the 5 or so
 
cuetable said:
2 ball and 5 ball both can barely squeeze into the lower left pocket, for those who'd like to run this table out :)

I have just added this to the first post...
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In that case I would play the combo on the 7 (with speed to send the 2 up by the upper corner pocket)...I would then hopefully land on a position to go into the 9-6 the break out and position on the 3 to the 4.
 
i would play shape for the 5 towards the side near the 6-9 and depending on what angle i get, i would break out the 6-9 and make the 5 or, if i go too far, thin the 5 and leave the cue ball behind the 6-9. even if the safety doesnt get hooked, it leaves him a tough combo or bank, plus the 6-9 problem.
 
2ball bottom corner slight outside english. 3 ball top side pocket,w/ stun right english. cue ball goes towards the break dot.... 4 ball top corner using 11 o'clock stroke... CB should hit top rail and travel down to break up 6-9... 5ball bottom corner using approp english for shape to the 6 which from the diagram I would assume the 6 would have faded close to the top rail... run out.

jmho
 
I would play the 2 in the corner, then 3 ball into the side. most importantly to get ideal for the 3 where I go far up table so I can get in a very good shape for the 4 ball, an angel where I can go straight into the cluster 6-9, there if I success hitting the 6 in the middle. i will get a shot for the 5 ball and run the rack easily........... ;p
 
safety

Thin the right side of the two with riight hand english.....cue ball to the end rail then behind the 6 and 9. Hopefully breaking the cluster open and leaving them hooked.

Efren type shot.


JMHO,
Drake
 
cuetable said:
Thank you very much for the great analysis! Yes the 6+9 cluster is a problem..

When is the best time to break them up?

From which angle and how hard?

Any back up plan if CB does hit them right at the exact spot?
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It's usually a bad idea to wait until the end of a rack to break up a cluster but in this layout I believe the correct option would be to break them out on the 5 ball.

If you know the angles and have the stroke it's a 5 in the top right corner, other corner to the 7, follow the cue ball to the top rail, After you hit the top rail your english kicks in sending it to the side rail and coming in from behind the 6 and 9.. For you I'll say high right english not to get it confused..

There's almost no way you can hook yourself and you'll come up with a shot at the 6 in the side or corner..

It's basically just a speed shot..

Practice it today or ask your local pro and see what they say on what I said..
 
Play Safe

If it was a tight table, which would make the 2 ball by the 7 ball a tougher shot, I would go off the right side of the 2 ball to the end rail and play safe behind the 6/9 ball.
Even if you miss hiding the cue ball behind the 6/9 you may get the hook with the 5 ball.
At worst you leave a bank.
 
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My way

will, most likely, be different from everyone elses. The reason I chose my pathes I did is to be assured of getting the proper angle on the 5 ball shot.

I would:
1) Shoot 2 in the corner, hold the cue.
2) Shoot 3 in the side, go 3 rails to short side shape on the 4.
3) Shoot 4 in bottom right corner, making sure cueball comes pretty close to where 3 ball was. Yes, I know it only has 3/4's pocket past the 7 ball, doesn't bother me.
4) Make 5 past the 7 in the corner, come 2 rails behind 6-9 to break them up. Make sure breakup is hard enough to give a little space between cue ball and 6 after breaking up.
5) Make 6 in 1 of 2 corners, or side pocket.
6) Make the 7 in the corner, then pocket the 9.
 
Here is the video which got my attention and started the thread. Also, Danny Harriman is just a great guy who shoot straight and think straight..

2003 World Pool Championships 9 Ball Danny Harriman vs Tony Drago
(The first video clip)

It is not necessary an easy run out. As an intermediate player I'd play safe like a few others here... HOWEVER, for advanced players, Nine Ball and Snapshot9 had the best idea in leaving the break out at the end by using 5 ball...

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Thank you very much for joining and I hope this is interesting for everyone. As the tool maker I felt it is important to make it more helpful to more people. Even when this tool is free I am still held responsible for its effects...

Would someone here like to start another thread and keep this an ongoing theme for people? Let's start another one, here is what you can do (it is fun work):

-- Find a video from CueTable Billiard Library > Resources > Video Screening Room > 9B

-- Draw a layout. Eventually the layout will be archived into the video thread in the library. If you need help, please feel free to contact me or just ask it away in the forum.

-- Start a thread, call it "9 Ball After The Break (3) - What would you do here?"



Nine Ball said:
It's usually a bad idea to wait until the end of a rack to break up a cluster but in this layout I believe the correct option would be to break them out on the 5 ball.

If you know the angles and have the stroke it's a 5 in the top right corner, other corner to the 7, follow the cue ball to the top rail, After you hit the top rail your english kicks in sending it to the side rail and coming in from behind the 6 and 9.. For you I'll say high right english not to get it confused..

There's almost no way you can hook yourself and you'll come up with a shot at the 6 in the side or corner..

It's basically just a speed shot..

Practice it today or ask your local pro and see what they say on what I said..
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Snapshot9 said:
will, most likely, be different from everyone elses. The reason I chose my pathes I did is to be assured of getting the proper angle on the 5 ball shot.

I would:
1) Shoot 2 in the corner, hold the cue.
2) Shoot 3 in the side, go 3 rails to short side shape on the 4.
3) Shoot 4 in bottom right corner, making sure cueball comes pretty close to where 3 ball was. Yes, I know it only has 3/4's pocket past the 7 ball, doesn't bother me.
4) Make 5 past the 7 in the corner, come 2 rails behind 6-9 to break them up. Make sure breakup is hard enough to give a little space between cue ball and 6 after breaking up.
5) Make 6 in 1 of 2 corners, or side pocket.
6) Make the 7 in the corner, then pocket the 9.
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