9-Ball on the spot. Why?

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I see in many European events and more recently in WPA World events, the 9-Ball racked on the spot.
Why?

What is wrong with the game being played how it's always been played, and the corner ball going in high percentage of times.
How are we ever going to see someone running 20 racks when the organizers make it so hard to make the corner ball? Alternate breaks?

Furthermore, what is the purpose of enforcing illegal breaks and trying to discourage soft and cut breaks while at the same time making it so hard to make the corner ball?

What is the purpose of a template rack, if it's so hard to make balls on the break when the 9-Ball is racked on the spot?

Why the hard breakers have to settle for a soft break shot that is hard to control (as opposed to the controlable hard break shot)?
 
Why are pool players so afraid of change is what you should ask yourself.
 
I guess they are trying to make 9-ball something other than a runout contest by forcing other aspects of the game to the forefront such as safety play. There can be more to 9-ball than just running and running forever.

Runout 9-ball can be boring and predictable. Making the game less of a connect-the-dots type of game produces a more dynamic match where both players are more involved in the outcome.
 
I agree completely. Apparently the consensus is that while the wing ball has always been wired & the game was that it's your inning until you miss, foul or play a safe & that the winner breaks that this is NO GOOD.

Our European brethren & many here now in the "everybody gets a trophy"generation feel that moving the 9 to the spot kills the wing ball & big breakers but all its done is breed a different break ball with a different style break more suited to the new gentle style of play.

Also that it's irrelevant if you win the game because now we alternate breaks so everybody gets a turn because God forbid someone travels a long way to play & never gets a shot. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me when that happened.

Also packages are boring now don't you know. Just ask anyone that can't string them.

Supposedly viewers don't want to see blowouts or large packages. They want alternating breaks, dry breaks & safeties & every match to be hill-hill.

Sad isn't it. As I said in a thread last week. I watch the Shaw 22 minute beat down of Mika at least once a week for several reasons. To watch the beauty of a gunslinger in dead punch combined with the guilty pleasure of watching Mika pout & toss his cue around.
YMMV.
 
Colonel said:
I agree completely. Apparently the consensus is that while the wing ball has always been wired & the game was that it's your inning until you miss, foul or play a safe & that the winner breaks that this is NO GOOD.

Our European brethren & many here now in the "everybody gets a trophy"generation feel that moving the 9 to the spot kills the wing ball & big breakers but all its done is breed a different break ball with a different style break more suited to the new gentle style of play.

Also that it's irrelevant if you win the game because now we alternate breaks so everybody gets a turn because God forbid someone travels a long way to play & never gets a shot. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me when that happened.

Also packages are boring now don't you know. Just ask anyone that can't string them.

Supposedly viewers don't want to see blowouts or large packages. They want alternating breaks, dry breaks & safeties & every match to be hill-hill.

Sad isn't it. As I said in a thread last week. I watch the Shaw 22 minute beat down of Mika at least once a week for several reasons. To watch the beauty of a gunslinger in dead punch combined with the guilty pleasure of watching Mika pout & toss his cue around.
YMMV.
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Exactly this^^^^^^^^^^^^^

BTW, where are all these runouts? Very seldom see more than a few racks.

I wanna see somebody run out the TOURNAMENT!
 
Colonel said:
I agree completely. Apparently the consensus is that while the wing ball has always been wired & the game was that it's your inning until you miss, foul or play a safe & that the winner breaks that this is NO GOOD.

Our European brethren & many here now in the "everybody gets a trophy"generation feel that moving the 9 to the spot kills the wing ball & big breakers but all its done is breed a different break ball with a different style break more suited to the new gentle style of play.

Also that it's irrelevant if you win the game because now we alternate breaks so everybody gets a turn because God forbid someone travels a long way to play & never gets a shot. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me when that happened.

Also packages are boring now don't you know. Just ask anyone that can't string them.

Supposedly viewers don't want to see blowouts or large packages. They want alternating breaks, dry breaks & safeties & every match to be hill-hill.

Sad isn't it. As I said in a thread last week. I watch the Shaw 22 minute beat down of Mika at least once a week for several reasons. To watch the beauty of a gunslinger in dead punch combined with the guilty pleasure of watching Mika pout & toss his cue around.
YMMV.
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You're my new hero!!!!
Just say no to the pussifacation of America!
 
Colonel said:
I agree completely. Apparently the consensus is that while the wing ball has always been wired & the game was that it's your inning until you miss, foul or play a safe & that the winner breaks that this is NO GOOD.

Our European brethren & many here now in the "everybody gets a trophy"generation feel that moving the 9 to the spot kills the wing ball & big breakers but all its done is breed a different break ball with a different style break more suited to the new gentle style of play.

Also that it's irrelevant if you win the game because now we alternate breaks so everybody gets a turn because God forbid someone travels a long way to play & never gets a shot. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me when that happened.

Also packages are boring now don't you know. Just ask anyone that can't string them.

Supposedly viewers don't want to see blowouts or large packages. They want alternating breaks, dry breaks & safeties & every match to be hill-hill.

Sad isn't it. As I said in a thread last week. I watch the Shaw 22 minute beat down of Mika at least once a week for several reasons. To watch the beauty of a gunslinger in dead punch combined with the guilty pleasure of watching Mika pout & toss his cue around.
YMMV.
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I had to green you all the way.
That was Dennis Miller-esque in the writing and delivery.
Consider the microphone dropped on this one.
:thumbup:
 
Cardigan Kid said:
I had to green you all the way.

That was Dennis Miller-esque in the writing and delivery.

Consider the microphone dropped on this one.

:thumbup:
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Thanks for the rep. My opinion isn't generally popular. Apparently I am an acquired taste.
 
The simple answer is that on fresh equipment with conventional pockets you are now playing 7 or 6 ball most racks.

Or you are watching Donnie Mills make 85 out of 86 (not sure on actual number) with a bunt shot.


Regards

Nick B
 
I don't like it either but I can answer you questions:

Marc said:
I see in many European events and more recently in WPA World events, the 9-Ball racked on the spot.
1. Why?

2. What is wrong with the game being played how it's always been played, and the corner ball going in high percentage of times.
3. How are we ever going to see someone running 20 racks when the organizers make it so hard to make the corner ball? Alternate breaks?

4. Furthermore, what is the purpose of enforcing illegal breaks and trying to discourage soft and cut breaks while at the same time making it so hard to make the corner ball?

5. What is the purpose of a template rack, if it's so hard to make balls on the break when the 9-Ball is racked on the spot?

6. Why the hard breakers have to settle for a soft break shot that is hard to control (as opposed to the controlable hard break shot)?
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I renumbered the questions above for clarity/reference:

1. The 9-ball is racked on the spot to prevent having a wired wing ball on the break. They believe the break should be random.

2. I personally don't think anything is wrong the old ways but some people argue that it's more exciting to see someone crush the break as hard as they can in hopes that a ball will fly around 6 rails and go in. A hard break is more likely to happen if the wing ball is not wired.

3. You won't ever see someone running 20 racks this way, that's the point. Some people find it boring to watch someone run 20 racks. I on the other hand love it lol. The main problem here is that in tournaments the races are usually pretty short and many players can completely run out the set after the flip. So alternate breaks at least give each player a chance to control the table.

4. See response #2.

5. The racking template simply speeds up the racking time. Otherwise, some guys will sit there all day complaining about tiny gaps.

6. I'm not sure I understand what you are asking? These rules promote hard breaking. Soft breaking is discouraged.
 
Colonel said:
I agree completely. Apparently the consensus is that while the wing ball has always been wired & the game was that it's your inning until you miss, foul or play a safe & that the winner breaks that this is NO GOOD.

Our European brethren & many here now in the "everybody gets a trophy"generation feel that moving the 9 to the spot kills the wing ball & big breakers but all its done is breed a different break ball with a different style break more suited to the new gentle style of play.

Also that it's irrelevant if you win the game because now we alternate breaks so everybody gets a turn because God forbid someone travels a long way to play & never gets a shot. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me when that happened.

Also packages are boring now don't you know. Just ask anyone that can't string them.

Supposedly viewers don't want to see blowouts or large packages. They want alternating breaks, dry breaks & safeties & every match to be hill-hill.

Sad isn't it. As I said in a thread last week. I watch the Shaw 22 minute beat down of Mika at least once a week for several reasons. To watch the beauty of a gunslinger in dead punch combined with the guilty pleasure of watching Mika pout & toss his cue around.
YMMV.
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Where can this beat down be watched?
 
Rack with the 1 ball on the spot
Lag for first break
Make the 9 on the break you win
You win you break
If someone breaks and runs out a set on you,then practice your lag.
Too bad you lose.
 
Shazam!
Today's pool community fits the generation of today, self entitlement and too friggin lazy to work hard an earn anything. At this pace, pretty soon tournaments will start paying out to every place to dead last, Oh, you showed up, here's your money back, thanks for participating!
 
What does that mean?

Nick B said:
The simple answer is that on fresh equipment with conventional pockets you are now playing 7 or 6 ball most racks.

Or you are watching Donnie Mills make 85 out of 86 (not sure on actual number) with a bunt shot.


Regards

Nick B
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Has Donnie won anything? Has he beat anybody with that soft break? I think Cory tried it on TAR with Busty, didn't work so well.
 
Dimeball said:
Shazam!
Today's pool community fits the generation of today, self entitlement and too friggin lazy to work hard an earn anything. At this pace, pretty soon tournaments will start paying out to every place to dead last, Oh, you showed up, here's your money back, thanks for participating!
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Doesn't APA do this for their big Vegas Tourney? Or pay out deep into the bracket?
 
Dimeball said:
Shazam!
Today's pool community fits the generation of today, self entitlement and too friggin lazy to work hard an earn anything. At this pace, pretty soon tournaments will start paying out to every place to dead last, Oh, you showed up, here's your money back, thanks for participating!
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Lol...so funny you mention this....I was asked to play in this bar league...my friend wanted this super team...we are not A players but can hang on a good day.

Anyways we destroy the competition and get 1st place...in terms of money I figured 20 teams giving $25 each every week over 12 weeks is about $6000. So I figure after league makes some money blah blah....our first place team should get about 2000 at least to divide between us. But nope we got 600...150 each which doesn't even cover what we have spent in the last 12 weeks...lol...when I asked why they gave me a stupid explanation...every team wins money even if you lose every round you get 2 dollars per round so even last place will get money back...need less to say that's the last time I'm playing in that league.

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