9-Ball Pushout - Foul

Sure; cue ball in a pocket, any ball off the table, stroke moving object balls with your cue. Beard/belly/boob touching balls (if playing all ball fouls), etc.

You need to make a legal stroke on the cue ball, but doesn't need to contact lowest ball first.
 
I would love to see roll/push-out resurrected by a sufficient number of folks. It is a much better game. I've heard for years, as we see here, some folks really liked it. Young folks do not know the game at all. It resembled one pocket due to safety play/strategy/pace of play. Larger pockets were not that much of an issue because the game was about so much more than simply pocketing balls.

Don't care what you call the game. You can call me "old fashioned".
 
Two-foul 'rollout' 9b is a great game, for gambling. Its way too slow for tournaments. In this part of the country, midwest, we always played two consecutive fouls 'by the same player' not ' you accept the shot/you accept the foul'. Some folks on here talked about that version but i've never even seen it played. In the two consec. fouls by same player version if player A rolls out player B can take the shot or pass it back. If B takes it the foul is gone. If he lets the 'pusher' shoot and he fouls then its bih. Great game 2-shot, you have to shoot spot shots(balls made on fouls go on the spot) and know how to move when it comes to pushing. Fat Randy would push out to near-impossible cuts and when his opponent let him shoot it he just broke their hearts and wallets. He could cut a ball thinner than just about anyone i ever saw. Some guys liked pushin-out to a bank or maybe to a un-seen brutal safety. Its how 9b was meant to be played. BTW, the reason for 'spot shots' was because you only got bih after TWO fouls by same player. On a scratch you shot spot shots unless it was a players 2nd foul, all balls made on a foul spot.
 
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There was also a version of 2shot where on a scratch if the next ball(s) in order was in the kitchen it would just go down(instead of spotting) and you'd shoot first available ball outside kitchen. That could be brutal depending on how the balls end up. I was playing a guy one time and he scratched on the break leaving the 1-2-3-4-5-6 in the kitchen(barbox). All those went down and i ran the 7-8-9 for the biscuits. ;) This version was like 9ball craps, you could get pumped-up or busted pretty quick.
 
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garczar said:
, , , In the two consec. fouls by same player version if player A rolls out player B can take the shot or pass it back. If B takes it the foul is gone. If he lets the 'pusher' shoot and he fouls then its bih. Great game 2-shot, you have to shoot spot shots(balls made on fouls go on the spot) and know how to move when it comes to pushing . . . There was also a version of 2shot where on a scratch if the next ball(s) in order was in the kitchen it would just go down(instead of spotting) and you'd shoot first available ball outside kitchen. That could be brutal depending on how the balls end up . . . you could get pumped-up or busted pretty quick.
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This one. Any money ball in the kitchen got spotted which created a whole new significance and intensity to making spot shots. For some reason, spot shots have always gotten in my head but put cheese on one and it became a completely new hamburger.

Way too much fun.
 
Biloxi Boy said:
I would love to see roll/push-out resurrected by a sufficient number of folks. It is a much better game. I've heard for years, as we see here, some folks really liked it. Young folks do not know the game at all. It resembled one pocket due to safety play/strategy/pace of play. Larger pockets were not that much of an issue because the game was about so much more than simply pocketing balls.

Don't care what you call the game. You can call me "old fashioned".
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I'd like to see a video of it played. Folks talk about it and try to explain the rules but without seeing it, it's kind of like learning a card game without playing it. We "young" folks need someone who knows the game to step up and film it. A phone has a camera that is good enough. A cheap tripod that holds a phone is $20. It can be uploaded on YouTube for free. Someone, please do it. The game seems interesting but without video it will probably never catch on or be played.
 
boogieman said:
I'd like to see a video of it played. Folks talk about it and try to explain the rules but without seeing it, it's kind of like learning a card game without playing it. We "young" folks need someone who knows the game to step up and film it. A phone has a camera that is good enough. A cheap tripod that holds a phone is $20. It can be uploaded on YouTube for free. Someone, please do it. The game seems interesting but without video it will probably never catch on or be played.
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The pushout is no different than in today's game aside from maybe any 2 fouls vs 2 by the same player. The difference as I saw it was you could roll out anytime you didn't like what you were looking at. Most rolled out to a difficult chance at getting out. Keith Mcready would roll out to shots nobody would take which he usually fired in. There are smarter ways to go about this obviously but Keith was the best example of how it works.
 
boogieman said:
I'd like to see a video of it played. Folks talk about it and try to explain the rules but without seeing it, it's kind of like learning a card game without playing it. We "young" folks need someone who knows the game to step up and film it. A phone has a camera that is good enough. A cheap tripod that holds a phone is $20. It can be uploaded on YouTube for free. Someone, please do it. The game seems interesting but without video it will probably never catch on or be played.
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Its not that difficult. You can push out at any time. If your opponent takes takes the shot the foul's gone. If he makes you shoot and you foul(that's two consec. fouls) he gets bih. Its never going to 'catch on' again as the world plays nothing but 1foul TexasExpress rules. No need to record anything, it was explained above. What don't u get??
 
garczar said:
Its not that difficult. You can push out at any time. If your opponent takes takes the shot the foul's gone. If he makes you shoot and you foul(that's two consec. fouls) he gets bih. Its never going to 'catch on' again as the world plays nothing but 1foul TexasExpress rules. No need to record anything, it was explained above. What don't u get??
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So let's say I don't like what I'm seeing at the table. I choose to push out. Am I now on one foul?

If I'm on 1 foul, I can't push out again or does the push mean an automatic foul?

It doesn't seem that difficult but without seeing the flow of the game, it's hard to actually grasp why it's "better." Is it just because you don't have to kick at balls or have no option but to get a legal hit if you've came to the table after your opponent played safe?
 
garczar said:
Its not that difficult. You can push out at any time. If your opponent takes takes the shot the foul's gone. If he makes you shoot and you foul(that's two consec. fouls) he gets bih. Its never going to 'catch on' again as the world plays nothing but 1foul TexasExpress rules. No need to record anything, it was explained above. What don't u get??
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I played a lot of ‘roll out’ when I was young….you saw a lot of better opening shots, including banks, because hooks weren’t valuable enough.
But I wouldn’t play ‘any two fouls’….it had to be two fouls by the same player….it made pushes more skillful ….the second player could hook you and you had to get yourself off the two fouls….your opponent could even run a few balls and then hook you…you were still on two.
The serious action in Detroit at the Rack tended to play like this….if a guy insisted on playing me ‘any two fouls’…it was a deal breaker.
 
funniest i've seen is a pushout from the chair. just sat there and one hand cued the cb. very good player, was one match from a world semifinal once, but as you may imagine slightly arrogant lol

myself i've scratched on a push. table rolled off quite bad but still not my proudest moment
 
boogieman said:
So let's say I don't like what I'm seeing at the table. I choose to push out. Am I now on one foul?

If I'm on 1 foul, I can't push out again or does the push mean an automatic foul?

It doesn't seem that difficult but without seeing the flow of the game, it's hard to actually grasp why it's "better." Is it just because you don't have to kick at balls or have no option but to get a legal hit if you've came to the table after your opponent played safe?
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If you push, that is your 1st foul.

Now, your opponent has the option to shoot the shot or pass it back to youl

If the opponent chooses to shoot, your foul is erased.

If your opponent makes you shoot it and you make a foul on THAT shot, you receive your 2nd foul and your opponent has BIH.
 
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