9 Ball Run Out Exercise Finale (+After Party)

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In a hill-hill big tournament game before getting into the final. You have just finished a conversation from your house about an incident. Everything has been well taken care of and you have turned the phone off. You are playing on a brand new 9 ft Diamond table with 4 1/2" pockets and fast Simonis 860 cloth. The balls are new Aramith Balls.

The opponent has scratched on the break, and you have ball in hand. For some odd reason you have already known how to run it out starting from the 4 ball. ;) Now you just have to make sure you can first three balls smoothly with a good leave on the 4.

Exercise
1, Find your favorite path for 1-2, 2-3, 3-4
2, Explain clearly where the ideal position zone is for each shot
3, Describe your alternative plans if the CB stops before or travels pass the ideal zone

Bonus
To reflect many "helping pool" thread this past week, we have a "bonus exercise" for everyone to share constructive ideas together :)

Write a short paragraph in plain English, describe the merits, the challenge, the condition or the benefit of playing pool today, as if your best friend wants you to show the game to his kids. They have played it maybe twice before and are eager to learn more. You can use the experience from this series of discussion as example (optional). If possible, please keep it tidy and concise (under 70 words).



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After Party
This would be the last of the series. I wholeheartedly thank everybody for joining the discussions and actively showing your insights. I myself have been enjoying it very much, and I have learned great things from your posts. Please look at this as one example of layout discussions over on AZ and make any suggestions you have on how we can communicate better.

I have found some Gift Certificates sitting in my tin can. If people are interested, let's use them to put together another Video Contest and let everyone to have even more fun. What do you all say? :)

Credit
Originally I found this layout from SouthEast Texas APA site on a bar cuetable, and I honestly could not figure out the best way to get position on the 5. In searching for a good way to run out this table, I have broken it up into several parts for people to discuss it separately Thanks for PoolVsn for coming up with the original layout.

Kudos to Mike and AZ staff for their tremendous assistance in getting CueTable software implemented in the forum for his wide range of members. It is our goal to work together to develop better means of communication for all pool players.

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Links
9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt1
9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt2
9 Ball Run Out Exercise Pt3
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Thanks everybody!
 
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Cue on the center dot on the foot rail....thin the 1 with just a hair of left, leave is easy on the 2....make sure to come up just a foot or so short of the side pocket/rail.....shoot the 2 easy with just a bit of draw, only bringing it back a few inches and enough to be off the rail.....at this point, you have a perfect slight angle to pocket three and roll smooth between the 6 and 9.....shoot the 4 with top right, and put the cue right over where the 2 was to pocket the 5 in the corner....

Why should people and/or kids pick up the game...

First, it's fun....it's the combination of a mind game like checkers, coupled with a skill game like darts/golf....it improves hand/eye coordination, ability to recognize patters, creativity to manipulate physics and the ball to do amazing things....also, it teaches you a lot about trickery....as a kid, people teach you, first hand, about hustles and the like....and you learn the hard way, but you don't have that much to lose, so it's better to learn young :D

My two cents...
 
Thin hit the one to send the CB into the siderail, then back towards the opposite side. No english needed, just be careful of how full and how hard you hit it. Hit firmly enough to hit the opposite side rail and bounce off of it, ensuring about a 30 degree cut on the 2 (which means you can use sidespin and/or draw to play the 3 in the upper side pocket). You also will be fine getting straightish on it, as you can just draw back a foot to get on the three in the bottom right corner. I like getting on the side pocket though because it makes it easier to get the perfect angle on the four.
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70 words is a bit brief. I know I overran it :(

Pool is great to teach your kids because it requires thinking things through and planning. It's not just about mechanics, you must approach the game methodically. If you can get a kid to slow down and make smart decisions at the table, it might help him him learn not to let first impulses guide him elsewhere. Players also learn early to be quiet and respectful during matches, clearly a good thing for a kid to learn.

It doesn't cost much to get started, and you can learn it while socializing with friends... you can put as much into it as you want and the results are clearly measurable, whether you have an opponent or you're playing alone.
 
I would get on the four in the manner shown below:

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The attentive reader may remember that in the exercise which started on the four ball, I would have placed the cue ball close to the side rail and drawn up to the five, or alternately, have placed the cue ball on the side rail a few inches from the 4 and gone two rails around to the five. However, there is a big difference between position that you take on ball in hand and position that you play for.
 
VIProfessor said:
The attentive reader may remember that in the exercise which started on the four ball, I would have placed the cue ball close to the side rail and drawn up to the five, or alternately, have placed the cue ball on the side rail a few inches from the 4 and gone two rails around to the five. However, there is a big difference between position that you take on ball in hand and position that you play for.
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Hi, as I first saw the layout with all 9 balls on the table, right away I found a few problems. Instead of posting the entire layout, I broken them up into 3 parts. Obviously our choices before might not be as apealing after the layout got changed. Your suggestion on 4-5 route in the given layout was still very well taken, even Mr. Bob Byrne would agree with you. I know in the new situation it will be hard to position for your shot. However if the CB moves to that spot for any reason we know a great shot for sure.

As I started this experiemnt I had this vague idea of collecting people's thought objectively (with least opinions from myself) in collecting all possible routes from each exercise. As we have all the options layout on a table, we might be able to be more objective in making choices, with all emergency plans covered. :)

If we have a chance to do this again, I would like your opinions on how can we improve to make it more constructive/informative/enjoyable for people?


Sensation said:
How can I print the table only?
Without having to rewrite the link to cuetable.com?
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Please check CueTable HowTo #8: Imaging and Printing for more infomation :)



Any more shot ideas about this layout or good things to say about pool?
 
I thought that layout looked familiar.

No one has responded to that thread on my site, however I took a printout to our 9-Ball Cities and had a couple of our B+ / B players take a crack at it. All but a few ran it out, but only 1 got the position he was looking for.
 
cuetable: not downing it or anything but what's the idea behind collecting all possible routes? Just to see if people tend to come up with the same thing independently of each other? Or to prove that there are several right ways to play a given shot (or disprove it?)

I dunno what I'd change, I'd have to know the point of the exercise. One random bit to consider: If you want to see how much concensus there is on a 'right' route you should do a poll. People who agree with a particular route prolly won't bother posting just to say 'yeah he got it right'. Even people who disagree won't always bother posting, and we've got a wide range of skill levels here so not every suggestion will have as much weight. A poll will at least let you see something like "ok 70% of the voters like route A, it's probably best" rather than "2 or 3 guys posted to agree with x about route A, and another 2 or 3 liked B."

You might also just for fun post a table, and have people privately (via pm) send you a link to how they'd run it out. Then see if any 2 players agree on how to run all 9. Maybe the route that gets the highest number of people who privately agree is most likely to be the best route.
 
CreeDo said:
cuetable: not downing it or anything but what's the idea behind collecting all possible routes? Just to see if people tend to come up with the same thing independently of each other? Or to prove that there are several right ways to play a given shot (or disprove it?)...
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Good points and suggestions :)

The idea is to see more available shots and possible outcomes from people. And to learn from each other's thoughts.

Pool can be a very personal thing:
You want to dominate the table when it's your turn
You have developed a personal style/pattern/habit in a runout
You want to be "in the zone" when playing
You will try to block out any thoughts coming from outside
...(maybe someone else can add more here?)​



In a discussion, we have to be open-minded to others.
 
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